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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Every moral is reletive, but are there any underlyning moral constants that should be universally recognized in a non cult manner?
    There are some common morals people have (no murder, no rape...etc) that I think should be adopted by law and society.

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    Well, I think that rejecting any "moral" because we realize that it's historically and culturally situated is a mistake. Just because it's not "timeless" is no reason to suppose that it's not useful for our purposes now.
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    really? That is the only moral that is universally recognized? .....Hamlet? No I didnt really pay attention.


    Oddly enough I remember when watching the preverbial film on primates. One mother would kill the children of other chimps to eat them with her children. She was described as cold, and off, since day one. Her children stopped killing when she died. Not instinct not moral? Are there other universal morals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    theory of moral absolutism resides within their theory of the existence of God.
    Okay, lets pretend God exists, how does this show for moral absolutism to be true?

    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Because we can't disprove the existence of their God, .
    We cannot disprove the existence of dragons either, does this mean we can use dragons as a reason to justify zoological theories?
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    took me too long to write that I should have quoted.

    What I am saying is that one of the things I realized in that film is that there are codes of conduct even in the less advanced and that in some way it is a matter, not of culture, but of instinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Well, I think that rejecting any "moral" because we realize that it's historically and culturally situated is a mistake. Just because it's not "timeless" is no reason to suppose that it's not useful for our purposes now.
    Definitely, I just have a hard time accepting the authority of any moral or norm just because of it's prevalence in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Okay, lets pretend God exists, how does this show for moral absolutism to be true?
    Depends on which God exists. A Christian God? Yes, moral absolutism would be true, because that's what the Christian God professes. A God that cares not for earthly affairs? No.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    We cannot disprove the existence of dragons either, does this mean we can use dragons as a reason to justify zoological theories?
    One can try. Proving and disproving are one thing. But plausibility is another, and can be applied to God and dragon existence debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Depends on which God exists. A Christian God? Yes, moral absolutism would be true, because that's what the Christian God professes. A God that cares not for earthly affairs? No..
    How is moral absolutism true if the Christian God exists?



    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    One can try. Proving and disproving are one thing. But plausibility is another, and can be applied to God and dragon existence debates.

    Noone can show that it is plausible for dragons to exist, should we use the existence of dragons as the foundation for our ideas in zoology?

    Or better yet morality? Should we make ethical decisions based on our belief that dragons exist?
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    The only way I could see morality having an existence outside of the grounds you gave in the initial post, would be if their is some kind of cognitively innate form of morality. Whether such a thing does exist is highly debatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Definitely, I just have a hard time accepting the authority of any moral or norm just because of it's prevalence in the past.
    Oh, certainly. But usually those types of arguments (for accepting a "moral" on the basis of tradition) try and sell the particular "moral" as being universal in the first place.
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