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    Default is it possible to be a peaceful muslim?

    I am no big fan of christianity, or any other religion for that matter

    however, the Jesus Christ, real or imagined, which christians place as their ultimate guide, was not a violent man. He turned over some merchants tables and cursed a fig tree, that's about it. Therefore, I think it's possible for a true christian to be peaceful and tolerant.

    Considering that Mohammed was a military leader who converted and subordinated tribes by force and imposed taxes and discriminatory laws against non-muslims and promoted the destruction or conversion of non-muslim societies, and that he is Gods foremost prophet on earth according to Muslims and one whose actions are beyond reproach, is it possible to be peaceful and tolerant and be a true muslim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Qui Parla View Post
    I am no big fan of christianity, or any other religion for that matter

    however, the Jesus Christ, real or imagined, which christians place as their ultimate guide, was not a violent man. He turned over some merchants tables and cursed a fig tree, that's about it. Therefore, I think it's possible for a true christian to be peaceful and tolerant.

    Considering that Mohammed was a military leader who converted and subordinated tribes by force and imposed taxes and discriminatory laws against non-muslims and promoted the destruction or conversion of non-muslim societies, and that he is Gods foremost prophet on earth according to Muslims and one whose actions are beyond reproach, is it possible to be peaceful and tolerant and be a true muslim?
    IMHO, I think the odds of being a peaceful Muslim are higher if you are a Sufi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdalek View Post
    IMHO, I think the odds of being a peaceful Muslim are higher if you are a Sufi.
    There's an argument that Sufism predates Islam....
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    East Asia has lots of Muslims and does not seem to have the unrest the Middle East has, so I think, yes it is possible to be a peaceful Muslim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    East Asia has lots of Muslims and does not seem to have the unrest the Middle East has, so I think, yes it is possible to be a peaceful Muslim.
    but 1.) are they being true to their religion and 2.) are their beliefs compatible with people who don't share their beliefs, ie if confronted with non-islamic states and people, do they respect those people's and state's absolute equality to muslim people and states?
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    Could be the influence of Hinduism / Buddhism and the lower prevalence of Christianity and Judaism?

    Not like Christians and Muslims have a smooth history....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Qui Parla View Post
    but 1.) are they being true to their religion and 2.) are their beliefs compatible with people who don't share their beliefs, ie if confronted with non-islamic states and people, do they respect those people's and state's absolute equality to muslim people and states?
    1.) I guess I don't think it's my right to determine who is and is not being true to their religion. I mean, by that standard, non-fundamentalist Christians are not being true to their religion and I don't really buy that.

    2.) I don't know. I will let those more interested in the subject than I am enlighten me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    1.) I guess I don't think it's my right to determine who is and is not being true to their religion. I mean, by that standard, non-fundamentalist Christians are not being true to their religion and I don't really buy that.

    2.) I don't know. I will let those more interested in the subject than I am enlighten me.
    I think what's important is not letter to letter adherence, but adherence to the message. the message of Jesus christ was not the same as the message of Mohammed. Jesus Christ was not a soldier or an empire builder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Qui Parla View Post
    I think what's important is not letter to letter adherence, but adherence to the message. the message of Jesus christ was not the same as the message of Mohammed. Jesus Christ was not a soldier or an empire builder.
    There are peaceful Jews. Their patriarchs/heroes/founders were not particularly peaceful, nor is the Hebrew G-d.
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    Yes, of course. Islamism, not Islam, makes today's headlines. An exegesis of Islamism, as derived from the manifestos of men like Sayyid Qutb, Sayyid Mawdudi and Hassan al-Banna, will reveal fascism; nothing more.

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