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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    1. True

    2. Who is talking about inventors?
    We are talking about public that is losing common sense.
    Not sure what you're driving at here.
    I don't think it will be beneficial to public if you take away their fairy tale books.

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    I think the conclusions in that article, based on Dawkins' actual statements as quoted, seem a bit overblown. Basically he says that fairy tales are unscientific (obviously true), and that he's not sure if that might lead people away from rationality, and opens the possibility of addressing the question by researching it.

    Note that the quotes in the story don't include anything like "I disapprove of fairy tales" (although the author states that Dawkins disapproves). Dawkins himself is simply making an obvious point and asking a question, not proclaiming a judgment.

    If he *were* proclaiming that fairy tales (and other stories) are bad, I'd disagree with him. Most people can tell the difference between fiction and nonfiction - and there's no question that even clearly fictional stories can teach real-world lessons (not to mention the fact that fun stories are... fun!). I'm all in favor of fictional literature of all types (even the types I don't like). You could even make the point that fiction helps us learn to think about what's true and what isn't.

    All in all, the story just seems like an effort to make Dawkins look bad. In particular, to associate him with the very strict religious people who disapprove of the Harry Potter books on the basis that they'll lead people (children) into witchcraft - and insinuating that his disagreement with religion is hypocritical, because he "shares" a viewpoint. Whether you agree with Dawkins' viewpoint or not, he seems like the punching bag here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Well then write to the Washington Times about it, because if you click the link that's what it states:

    "Biologist-writer Richard Dawkins disapproves of "anti-scientific" literature, including the "Harry Potter" books."
    You included a caption from a picture, one of many. Not the title, or even from the summary.

    However, the central point was that the article found sensation completely out of context of the actual interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    I think the conclusions in that article, based on Dawkins' actual statements as quoted, seem a bit overblown. Basically he says that fairy tales are unscientific (obviously true), and that he's not sure if that might lead people away from rationality, and opens the possibility of addressing the question by researching it.

    Note that the quotes in the story don't include anything like "I disapprove of fairy tales" (although the author states that Dawkins disapproves). Dawkins himself is simply making an obvious point and asking a question, not proclaiming a judgment.

    If he *were* proclaiming that fairy tales (and other stories) are bad, I'd disagree with him. Most people can tell the difference between fiction and nonfiction - and there's no question that even clearly fictional stories can teach real-world lessons (not to mention the fact that fun stories are... fun!). I'm all in favor of fictional literature of all types (even the types I don't like). You could even make the point that fiction helps us learn to think about what's true and what isn't.

    All in all, the story just seems like an effort to make Dawkins look bad. In particular, to associate him with the very strict religious people who disapprove of the Harry Potter books on the basis that they'll lead people (children) into witchcraft - and insinuating that his disagreement with religion is hypocritical, because he "shares" a viewpoint. Whether you agree with Dawkins' viewpoint or not, he seems like the punching bag here.
    Yes, exactly. He never claimed that fairytales were definitively bad. The article was sensationalizing.
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    Dawkins is a crazy, irrational fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Dawkins is a crazy, irrational fool.

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    No, he's just a pedantic INTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    No, he's just a pedantic INTP.
    Never. He's some flava of J. I'd bet my life on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Not sure what you're driving at here.
    I don't think it will be beneficial to public if you take away their fairy tale books.
    To some degree I agee with you but I think that we are in a "red" zone when it comes to this. More and more people has some "weird" or bizzare beliefs.

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    What I have seen about Dawkins is that he is usually typed as INTJ sometimes as ENTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    To some degree I agee with you but I think that we are in a "red" zone when it comes to this. More and more people has some "weird" or bizzare beliefs.
    Are you serious? No one has weird or bizarre beliefs as a result of reading fantasy books.
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