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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It's true we live in the attention economy - why, you have just elected your first all celebrity President.
    Actually, no. We started the tradition with Washington, moved on with Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhauer, Kennedy...oh, and Reagan was actually an actor, remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    I laughed out loud when the servant fell asleep when Paul was preaching and Paul fell out the window.

    Adam's "She made me do it" was a rib-cracker too.

    James and John competing to be at Jesus' right hand?

    Balaam and his donkey?

    Moses trying to get out of going before Pharoah?
    I think you might agree with me that the Bible isn't intentionally funny. However I do accept that you interpret parts of the Bible as being funny.

    I am very interested in the nature of holy books, the Bible being one of them. And it seems to me that they are all written in a similar way. They are written to evoke a particular response in the listener or reader.

    These holy books provide meaning for whole cultures across millennia so they need to reach us at a very deep level. And they do.

    If their intention was to amuse us by telling jokes or funny stories, they would fail in their mission.

    In fact they induce awe and explain the whole universe. And indeed even how we are to behave.

    They couldn't do this at a shallow level so they have to go down deep.

    I have an unfamiliar way of talking about this in terms of Dennis Weir's Trance Theory.

    So I say, in order to go deep and do their job, they induce deep levels of trance.

    And as humour is a cognitive faculty and not a trance faculty, humour does not figure largely in any holy books. Except of course in interpretation.

    If this is correct, it throws an interesting light on how religions are transmitted.

    It would also throw light on how MBTI is transmitted and how it is so successful.

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    On the other hand, if one admits the existence of a creator (which can be a stretch I know) then that being has to have a sense of humor. Have you seen a giraffe eat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    In our research on type and spirituality, which involved interviews and e-correspondence with people of each type from all over the world, it was mostly the INTPs who said they'd read religious texts cover to cover. Usually it wasn't just the main one from their own cultural faith but the Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon and so on. They said, "How can you say you believe anything unless you understand it and also understand the alternatives?"

    They also were most likely to pick up on bizarre patterns. Like why the obsession on what we wear on our heads?

    INTPs all emailed us their answers. ESFJs all had us over for coffee.
    Well, you got me there.

    As a youth, I read the Torah every year because that's part of the tradition within Judaism (The Rabbi's divided it into weekly readings, along with the Talmud, that would culminate with its completion at the end of the Jewish calendar year).

    But when I was eighteen, I remember thinking, "Now that I'm outside of my isolated Jewish community, I'm going to be faced with people telling me what's in the Bible over and over for the rest of my life. Therefore, I'm going to read it, study it, and know more about it then those that purport to "follow" it." And as you stated, I thought if there's truth in it, I'll find that along the way.

    So I spent about a year or so reading the King James version three times over. At that point, I thought I was competent, so I put it on the bookshelf.

    The only time it really came in handy was during my arguments with the Jews for Jesus folks that would proselytize around the LA spots that I'd frequent.

    Good times . . . good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    Actually, no. We started the tradition with Washington, moved on with Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhauer, Kennedy...oh, and Reagan was actually an actor, remember?
    I don't like to keep on disagreeing with you but Celebrity Culture is only a recent phenomenon.

    All your Presidents from about 1946 to 2008 were Cold War Presidents. And your President elect is the first Non-Cold War President. And the first pure celebrity President.

    And perhaps because you live in a celebrity culture, you take it for granted and so it becomes invisible to you. So you are able to say, all your Presidents are celebrities - and this is the same as saying none are - and this is because your culture is invisible to you. After all, fish didn't discover water.

    But it is plain that Celebrity Culture permeates your whole society, even as we speak - reaching all the way to the White House.

    This has enormous implications for how we deal with you, as an economy is based on scarcity. But, in the West, we have overcome the scarcity of goods. But the proliferation of the electronic media has made Attention scarce. So we must economise with attention. And so we say we live in the Attention Economy.

    I don't know how this will play out. But we have a Military Treaty with you, and a Land Treaty, and an Economic Treaty. But we do not have an Attention Treaty with you.

    This may seem fanciful at the moment - but as we compete for your Attention and the Attention of your government, we will be looking at ways to grow Attention and ensure Attention is fairly distributed.

    And the Attention Economy, as you note, is the economy of the Celebrity Culture.

    And at the moment, as you also note, the Celebrity Culture is being addressed on moral grounds. But is won't be long before it is addressed on economic grounds. Certainly by us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    On the other hand, if one admits the existence of a creator (which can be a stretch I know) then that being has to have a sense of humor. Have you seen a giraffe eat?
    Are you suggesting that God created giraffes out of a sense of humour?

    Or did giraffes evolve with the same DNA that makes us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Has anyone here read in it's entirety, like from cover to cover like a normal book, any religious texts (i.e. Bible, Quran, Talmud, etc.)?

    I've only ever met one person who did this with The Bible.
    Yes, once through the Quran completely, plus the hadiths (which are an even bigger collection of books than the Quran), now I use them as references alot.

    It was tough when I got started because you need to get into the swing of the old style of writing, but once you get your groove going it becomes quite easy to read.

    I would like to read the bible next but I haven't found the time to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Are you suggesting that God created giraffes out of a sense of humour?

    Or did giraffes evolve with the same DNA that makes us?
    Really neither. I'm saying that given a look at life on this planet, if there is a Creator than that being must be giggling at at least some of what goes on. Giraffes evolved purposely. But their tongues are pretty funny.
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    Yeah, God must have the best sense of humour, ever.
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    I've read everything in the Bible at least once except Jeremiah and Ezekial. The Bible isn't a book you're going to read one time and understand. I'm still trying to get it figured out, and it's been years.

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