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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    I'm definitely a dualist, without the hocus pocus (god, souls, etc.). I'll more easily doubt the outside, physical world (perhaps a delusion of some sort) rather than my own internal, mental world.
    I am suggesting your own internal mental world is dualist.

    It is dualist in its perception and dualist in organisation into metaphor.

    Naturally the one dimensional deny this and appeal to the material world for assistance.

    Unfortunately we perceive the material world through our dualistic senses and organise our preceptions through dualistic metaphors.

    So you and I can see that materialism is special pleading.

    And actually materialism is simply a reaction to supernatural religion.

    So materialism is limited in its origins, while you and I, not being supernaturalists, can see the world for what it is - dual.

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    Materialist.

    Dualism is silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Materialism

    The philosophy of materialism holds that the only thing that can be truly proven to exist is matter, and is considered a form of physicalism. Fundamentally, all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions; therefore, matter is the only substance.
    Materialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dualist

    In philosophy of mind, dualism is a set of views about the relationship between mind and matter, which begins with the claim that mental phenomena are, in some respects, non-physical.
    Dualism (philosophy of mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


    I'm a materialist. Believing in dualism (and often by extension - souls, spirits, God(s), New Age..) sounds nice, but I know the main arguments in favor of dualism, and none convince me so far or cause me to doubt materialism. The 'subjectivity of mental states' argument is I think the strongest argument for dualism.

    I'd like to what you all think on the subject and where you stand.
    You could also be a neutral monist (think the fundamental stuff of reality is a hybrid of matter and mind), or you could also be an immaterialist, think reality is purely mental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    You could also be a neutral monist (think the fundamental stuff of reality is a hybrid of matter and mind), or you could also be an immaterialist, think reality is purely mental.
    I figure he's basically trying to make the distinction between dualism and monism.

    Because you're right; dualism/materialism is a false dichotomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Materialism

    The philosophy of materialism holds that the only thing that can be truly proven to exist is matter, and is considered a form of physicalism. Fundamentally, all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions; therefore, matter is the only substance.
    Materialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dualist

    In philosophy of mind, dualism is a set of views about the relationship between mind and matter, which begins with the claim that mental phenomena are, in some respects, non-physical.
    Dualism (philosophy of mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


    I'm a materialist. Believing in dualism (and often by extension - souls, spirits, God(s), New Age..) sounds nice, but I know the main arguments in favor of dualism, and none convince me so far or cause me to doubt materialism. The 'subjectivity of mental states' argument is I think the strongest argument for dualism.

    I'd like to what you all think on the subject and where you stand.
    Is there another choice?
    I am not a materialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Is there another choice?
    I am not a materialist.
    Bluewing offered two more choices.

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    When you look at something, you collapse a wave. Is it our mind that causes this collapse? This is an answer I cannot give (and that has not been given yet, to my knowledge). Therefore, given that materialism negates this possibility altogether, I have to place myself in the dualist category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    When you look at something, you collapse a wave. Is it our mind that causes this collapse? This is an answer I cannot give (and that has not been given yet, to my knowledge). Therefore, given that materialism negates this possibility altogether, I have to place myself in the dualist category.
    Good on you mate - 3 and counting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Is there another choice?
    I am not a materialist.
    But have you filled out the questionnaire above? You might bring us up to 4.

    You must remember we are duellists, making the world safe for dualism.

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    Or you can be a person that doesn't care. *raises hand*

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