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    maybe I dont know what contingent means. care to clarify?

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    Contingent means based upon. In your case you basically stated that your knowledge was contingent (based on) upon there being a possibility for future alterations. That is why you will often hear as planning for consequences in the future as contingency planning. You are basing your beliefs on what is currently accepted but allowing for the possibilities of newer falsifcations that could necessarily effect your whole construct.

    On second reading, I think it would still fall under the bracket of contingency because you are "understanding" that you do not know all that can be comprehended, so you are leaving room for the fact that there is an unforeseen.
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    Yeah, in short:

    # Liable to occur but not with certainty; possible:
    # Dependent on conditions or occurrences not yet established; conditional

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    It kills me to say it, but yes, I often lack certainty and think there are things I have not yet considered. I guess I am contingient. Not sure that applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I believe in Quality.
    Only because you are a person of quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Only because you are a person of quality.
    Thank you, Victor, and you as well.

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    I'm not ashamed to admit I'm solely a man of quantity. Quality is too hard and difficult a commodity to aspire for. Ill settle for the easier and more plentiful route.
    My cold, snide, intellectual life is just a veneer, behind which lies the plywood of loneliness.

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    Default Metaphoric Dualism

    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Materialism

    The philosophy of materialism holds that the only thing that can be truly proven to exist is matter, and is considered a form of physicalism. Fundamentally, all things are composed of material and all phenomena (including consciousness) are the result of material interactions; therefore, matter is the only substance.
    Materialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Dualist

    In philosophy of mind, dualism is a set of views about the relationship between mind and matter, which begins with the claim that mental phenomena are, in some respects, non-physical.
    Dualism (philosophy of mind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)


    I'm a materialist. Believing in dualism (and often by extension - souls, spirits, God(s), New Age..) sounds nice, but I know the main arguments in favor of dualism, and none convince me so far or cause me to doubt materialism. The 'subjectivity of mental states' argument is I think the strongest argument for dualism.

    I'd like to what you all think on the subject and where you stand.
    I would like to be a materialist but metaphors keep staring me in the face.

    A metaphor as you remember takes the form -

    As A is to B, so C is to D.

    So a metaphor is a comparison of relationships - so a metaphor just doesn't actually exist.

    And not only does our language depend on metaphors but so does our perception.

    In that we perceive by making distinctions. That is, we perceive by making comparisons - just like metaphors themselves.

    So you see, I can't help myself - God help me, or perhaps dear reader, you will forgive me - but I'm a dualist.

    I can't help but see that our very perception depends on dualism; and of course metaphors themselves are not only dualist but don't actually exist at all.

    So for me, materialism is out of the question.

    And for me, one dimensionalism or monoism, is quite impossible.

    So I am a metaphoric dualist.

    And unfortunately I know this is transgressive, and my only hope is to seduce you into transgressing with me -

    I mean just think how natural it is - you have dual hands, dual eyes and even dual ears.

    Dualism is as natural to you as breathing in through your dual nostrils into your dual lungs.

    Everything comes in twos - even me and you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    I'm not ashamed to admit I'm solely a man of quantity. Quality is too hard and difficult a commodity to aspire for. Ill settle for the easier and more plentiful route.
    What has eluded you sir, is that is that a sufficient quantity morphs into quality.

    So you are destined, doomed, fated for quality.

    Indeed some of us suspect you are man of quality already, but humble with it.

    So you walk with Kings but keep the common touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What has eluded you sir, is that is that a sufficient quantity morphs into quality.
    says who ?

    I'm definitely a dualist, without the hocus pocus (god, souls, etc.). I'll more easily doubt the outside, physical world (perhaps a delusion of some sort) rather than my own internal, mental world.

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