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    "Personal enemies" could mean anything you hate. Ideas, people, etc. I might even interpret this as a general admonition against the very impulse to hate. I don't really think it would be consistent for Christ to advise to love your enemies and then to hate an aggregate mass of people you are enemies with. I think the entire sermon is an admonition to approach all things with love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    "Personal enemies" could mean anything you hate. Ideas, people, etc. I might even interpret this as a general admonition against the very impulse to hate. I don't really think it would be consistent for Christ to advise to love your enemies and then to hate an aggregate mass of people you are enemies with. I think the entire sermon is an admonition to approach all things with love.
    to what end...*ponders*

    if one loves ones enemies they are...compassionate towards them...

    so...the point is to approach with love, so that we deal with our enemies with compassion? is that what others are thinking? thats the conclusion i draw in my mind anyway
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    I think it makes a lot of sense.. I had struggled with that concept, and yet at church they had taught me (I, at the time, was worried about my going into the service.) that murder is wrong.. but killing is not. Example: A policeman doing his duty would not be damned for taking the life of a dangerous man.

    ... It would make much more sense in general for the christian teachings to mean personal enemies.
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    so because the policeman approaches with concern (for the general public) he approaches the dangerous wo/man with compassion, (further backed up by the point that to shoot is the last resort). nor does he 'hate' the dangerous person, he is...just doing his job...which is to care for the general public

    [sorry to have to rephrase it all...i just have to do that to work it out in my mind, what we are actually saying...am i correct so far?]
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    " there is no you, there is only me "
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    *sigh* see i struggle with that slightly, coz there is a YOU, and there is a ME

    just coz my theory states there is no you, doesn't mean YOU don't exist...

    am i missing some integral key to the philosophy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENTJ Extraordinaire View Post
    *sigh* see i struggle with that slightly, coz there is a YOU, and there is a ME

    just coz my theory states there is no you, doesn't mean YOU don't exist...

    am i missing some integral key to the philosophy?
    yes
    its a higher form of control
    realizing that you can only control your reaction and action - not others
    as such - you race yourself

    all in all - you are the common denominator in all of your successes and failures.
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    ok, i can understand that, but just coz i only ultimately control my own actions, and as such, i am only responsible for my own actions, that doesn't mean i don't have an element of control over anothers actions.

    just like we can anticipate each others actions, and so respond in a manner that motivates a reaction in a certain direction.

    i think what i am trying to say is we directally control ourselves, and indirectally are capable of controlling our enemies, and i think that is the root of my problem with that statement [even tho i agree its a great 'philosophy', i can see it being nothing more than just that, a THEORY]
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    hmm - yes - we do have influence over everyone's actions if we know what we're doing
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    i guess the theory still applies, with a small amount of tweaking.

    we have to establish that we do have an influence, and as such, we are in control of ourselves enough to 1) either not use it, or 2) not use it against our opponent.

    however, that is alot harder to justify, as that is basically putting down your gun, and walking into the gun battle with nothing but fists...if you know what i mean.

    in the end, it would mean that you would only be walking away from the real fight, which is, at times, the sign of the stronger man. *ponders* perhaps that is the key,

    in order to win, you have to be stronger, and to be stronger, you have to walk away, and to be able to walk away, you have to not win, and to not win you have to put down your best weapon, and that mean self-control when it comes to positioning others...

    ...rofl...quite a long winded theory if you ask me.
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