Notification of palatable personality traits (moved from Politics & Current Events)

Nocap · 09-10-2008, 06:46 AM

It's come to my attention that many, often, otherwise undesirable things, are brandished as favorable aspects of personality.

You hear a lot of people saying "I'm too lazy to do it" and then belch a little laugh like it's funny to be lazy.

When did this start? Why is it perpetuated?

Or there's this fun one -- if you're in gradeschool, you've certainly heard the teacher say, while drawing a diagram on the chalkboard they'll say "and if you'll excuse my horrible art skills" or perhaps they'll quip about how "if I were a good artist, I wouldn't be teaching" and of course, everyone in the class chuckles.

How is that funny? I don't understand it.

Or the worst of them all you'll hear people talk about how crazy they are.
Idiots...
If they were actually crazy they'd be scared shitless.
This probably has a lot to do with arrogance. Too much self-security.

If this backwards dub applies to a male being 'secure enough with his masculinity' to engage in any feminine actvity, then certainly accusing yourself of being crazy means, in fact that you're so certain of your mental health, it borders on the very thing you're sure you're not.

Can someone maybe explain this to me?
Or maybe just give some other examples I don't care.

nolla · 09-10-2008, 08:15 AM

It's actually insecurity. When the teacher jokes right away, then the students won't be able to joke. It would seem stupid to do so. I use this same strategy when someone asks me about some subject that I'm not comfortable talking about. When I answer with joke, it will take something away from the subject. The joke usually is telling my true feelings about the subject, but at the same time masking it so that the other person doesn't know if it is true or not. But again, it would seem silly if they persisted on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Nocapszy

If this backwards dub applies to a male being 'secure enough with his masculinity' to engage in any feminine actvity, then certainly accusing yourself of being crazy means, in fact that you're so certain of your mental health, it borders on the very thing you're sure you're not.

The masculine-feminine thing isn't the same thing. The gender roles haven't got anything to do with real self-confidence, since they are mostly made up by society, and you don't need society to feel confident.

The_Liquid_Laser · 09-10-2008, 08:57 AM

Desirable traits are in some sense arbitrary. Everyone has different ideas about the traits that are most desirable. We can make jokes about the traits other people tell us are desirable when we don't hold them as such ourselves.

Jack Flak · 09-10-2008, 09:42 AM

Self deprication lightens the mood and amuses people. That's why comedians do it.

Xander · 09-10-2008, 12:27 PM

No one is perfect... if you can see your own flaws what is your reaction?

To note them? Okay that's fine..
To worry about them? Pointless, see above.
To improve upon them? Fine but that doesn't rule out any other reaction in addition to that.
To laugh at them and about them? Well it certainly beats worrying.

Oberon · 09-10-2008, 03:27 PM

It's inoculation. If you point out your own flaws, it pre-empts other people from doing it.

Jennifer · 09-10-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It's inoculation. If you point out your own flaws, it pre-empts other people from doing it.

Definitely one effective strategy.

Nocap · 09-10-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Flak

Self deprication lightens the mood and amuses people. That's why comedians do it.

Self depreciation? These people are obviously lying.

No one admits to being actually crazy. That's the whole reason for the DSM and that diagnostic panel.

They're pretending. Because it's funny?
How is that funny?

Jack Flak · 09-10-2008, 03:40 PM

People admit to being actually lazy. Exaggeration is often involved, yes.

Lateralus · 09-10-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nocapszy

Self depreciation? These people are obviously lying.

No one admits to being actually crazy. That's the whole reason for the DSM and that diagnostic panel.

They're pretending. Because it's funny?
How is that funny?

You might want to look around for your sense of humor. It looks like you lost it.

09-10-2008, 06:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
Nocap MotherFlouncer Join Date: Jun 2007 Type: EMTP Posts: 3,657	Notification of palatable personality traits (moved from Politics & Current Events) It's come to my attention that many, often, otherwise undesirable things, are brandished as favorable aspects of personality. You hear a lot of people saying "I'm too lazy to do it" and then belch a little laugh like it's funny to be lazy. When did this start? Why is it perpetuated? Or there's this fun one -- if you're in gradeschool, you've certainly heard the teacher say, while drawing a diagram on the chalkboard they'll say "and if you'll excuse my horrible art skills" or perhaps they'll quip about how "if I were a good artist, I wouldn't be teaching" and of course, everyone in the class chuckles. How is that funny? I don't understand it. Or the worst of them all you'll hear people talk about how crazy they are. Idiots... If they were actually crazy they'd be scared shitless. This probably has a lot to do with arrogance. Too much self-security. If this backwards dub applies to a male being 'secure enough with his masculinity' to engage in any feminine actvity, then certainly accusing yourself of being crazy means, in fact that you're so certain of your mental health, it borders on the very thing you're sure you're not. Can someone maybe explain this to me? Or maybe just give some other examples I don't care. Last edited by Jennifer; 09-10-2008 at 03:31 PM. Reason: More appropriately placed here.

09-10-2008, 08:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
The_Liquid_Laser Incoherent Radiance Join Date: Jul 2007 Type: ENTP Posts: 2,124	Desirable traits are in some sense arbitrary. Everyone has different ideas about the traits that are most desirable. We can make jokes about the traits other people tell us are desirable when we don't hold them as such ourselves. __________________

09-10-2008, 12:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Xander Pretty Vacant Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INTP Location: Coventry, England Posts: 3,331	No one is perfect... if you can see your own flaws what is your reaction? To note them? Okay that's fine.. To worry about them? Pointless, see above. To improve upon them? Fine but that doesn't rule out any other reaction in addition to that. To laugh at them and about them? Well it certainly beats worrying. __________________ INTP 9. A new breed of hero. Every man is like every other man, like some other men, like no other men. Mary McCaulley A diplomat... is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip. - Caskie Stinnett All is denial, projection and avoidance.

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Jack Flak Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Type: INTP Location: The Everlasting Sky Posts: 9,359	Self deprication lightens the mood and amuses people. That's why comedians do it.

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