NF vs. NT Debate! (Fun and Educational)

[entropie]

i have come to think about those T and F things

What if you think about mankind like aeons of time back. Their perception towards reality has to has developed somehow.

If you think about T being the ultimate function to understand nature and the physical world, due to it being inherently logical.

Then it could be that F is the function that understands the human, who are the only thing in nature that is inherently illogical.

That would it make a perception style of the world that has developed through aeons of years by perceiving how humans are best to behave with each other. In terms of self-preservation. And that counts for the T and the F.

The only differences would be:

T = understanding of thw world (for example the hunt, to feed the family)

F = understanding of human development (for example caring and nurturing the family)

In addition this would explain why woman are more prone to F and men to T. Because in the long run of mankind's history woman have been incapacitated to become hunters, cause they were in the business of conceiving. Gosh my english is bad, I hope you do understand me.

[Little Linguist]

Originally Posted by entropie

i have come to think about those T and F things

What if you think about mankind like aeons of time back. Their perception towards reality has to has developed somehow.

If you think about T being the ultimate function to understand nature and the physical world, due to it being inherently logical.

Then it could be that F is the function that understands the human, who are the only thing in nature that is inherently illogical.

That would it make a perception style of the world that has developed through aeons of years by perceiving how humans are best to behave with each other. In terms of self-preservation. And that counts for the T and the F.

The only differences would be:

T = understanding of thw world (for example the hunt, to feed the family)

F = understanding of human development (for example caring and nurturing the family)

In addition this would explain why woman are more prone to F and men to T. Because in the long run of mankind's history woman have been incapacitated to become hunters and care for the family, cause they were in the business of conceiving. Gosh my english is bad, I hope you do understand me.

Sure But that still does not address my question of an F being able to do both. By both, I mean I can think logically and in a humanistic manner. *shrugs* Maybe that's not logical, but I can.

[entropie]

In modern world they surely are becoming to be.

In my opinion this is the next stept of evolution. The thinking style of thinking rational or irrational is adversary.

But to pinpoint out the best traits of both of them and to apply them, would be the next step of a combined field theory... ohh I am drifitng off xD

[Little Linguist]

Originally Posted by entropie

In modern world they surely are becoming to be.

In my opinion this is the next stept of evolution. The thinking style of thinking rational or irrational is adversary.

But to pinpoint out the best traits of both of them and to apply them, would be the next step of a combined field theory... ohh I am drifitng off xD

I never really saw them as diametrically opposed. I definitely think there are people capable of both. Okay, maybe not equally capable, sure. But for me, it depends on the environment. In an academic environment, I am a die-hard rational - scare the crap out of people sometimes and often drive people away from me (to get back to the point about people who are 'bad' with people, if that is your characterization). I'm ambitious, driven and basically couldn't give a crap about other people when I have a goal and try to accomplish it.

On the other hand, as a teacher, I can do both. I can be rational and humanistic.

In my human relationships, I am almost entirely feeling with enough rationalism to prevent myself from getting hurt very much.

So there. Analyze that.

Result: Multiple Personality Disorder (Oh crap, hope not).

[entropie]

Yes I was talking about the functions singled out.

When you talk about people, you always have T and F working at both times, there is just the specialty they picked out that intrests them.

If I longtime am intrested in how the world works, through logical interpretation, I will have a hard time understanding humans, what I have. Because humans act on impulses and tend to be genuinely irrational. What I like, but what I can not predict or understand from a psychological point of view. (not yet tho, here to learn )

And the other thing about a F type being a hard time logical person. The F's often confuse that. You are absolutely logical, for that is what we all are (except some religious fundamentalists). But like you said, you can scare people off with your logic. If I would try to do so, I wouldnt not succeed, because I am not that in touch with my F-function and does not understand, how I need to frighten someone in certain situations, because I do not understand what would make him feel that way.

Feeler's tend to confuse that. No F Type is in no point less rational than a T-type. They tend to be not that intrested into hard mathematics, because it is not their field of intrest. My head starts aching aswell, when I get to deep into social and interpersonal things, cause I firstly dont understand it deep enough and most of the time dont care (I admit).

But when it comes to implying happiness or fear in a person, you F's win all the time, cause you are just more in touch with the human being.

[Delphyne]

I´m wondering because Feelers get equated with emotional people and Thinkers with people who always react with cold professionalism. Hasn´t anyone met an emotional reactive Thinker yet?

[entropie]

*winks* xD

provoke me and I show you reactivism xD *was no invitation to do so* xD

[Little Linguist]

Originally Posted by entropie

Yes I was talking about the functions singled out.

When you talk about people, you always have T and F working at both times, there is just the specialty they picked out that intrests them.

If I longtime am intrested in how the world works, through logical interpretation, I will have a hard time understanding humans, what I have. Because humans act on impulses and tend to be genuinely irrational. What I like, but what I can not predict or understand from a psychological point of view. (not yet tho, here to learn )

And the other thing about a F type being a hard time logical person. The F's often confuse that. You are absolutely logical, for that is what we all are (except some religious fundamentalists). But like you said, you can scare people off with your logic. If I would try to do so, I wouldnt not succeed, because I am not that in touch with my F-function and does not understand, how I need to frighten someone in certain situations, because I do not understand what would make him feel that way.

Feeler's tend to confuse that. No F Type is in no point less rational than a T-type. They tend to be not that intrested into hard mathematics, because it is not their field of intrest. My head starts aching aswell, when I get to deep into social and interpersonal things, cause I firstly dont understand it deep enough and most of the time dont care (I admit).

But when it comes to implying happiness or fear in a person, you F's win all the time, cause you are just more in touch with the human being.

Wow, is that accurate??? I have never really thought about that aspect before now. Hmmm...you could be onto something!!!

Okay, sometimes *I* don't flipping understand people either. Just look at my blog sometimes when I rant and rave about people who are just <beeeeep>. But I have to admit, my husband always asks my opinion when it is about people. He also asks me what I think about certain situations, too. Okay, on the one hand one could argue he's just trying to be 'nice' and 'include' me because we are married. But I think he also respects my interesting, different, and sometimes unique perspective regarding different things.

Really, I can be a genius regarding getting the exact reaction I want. And the scary thing is: I do not even TRY. It just - like - happens. And so I have to be VERY careful and center myself and be rational because that can be really good and also really crappy.

However, I also have innate curiosity about how things work. I'm literally interested in ALMOST every subject except housecleaning and math. Everything else - including hard sciences - is up for grabs. I may not be knowledgeable, but I love to soak up information like a sponge and ask lots of annoying as shit questions to understand stuff.

[Little Linguist]

Originally Posted by entropie

*winks* xD

provoke me and I show you reactivism xD *was no invitation to do so* xD

What a flirt!!!!! :-P

[entropie]

Originally Posted by Delphyne

I´m wondering because Feelers get equated with emotional people and Thinkers with people who always react with cold professionalism. Hasn´t anyone met an emotional reactive Thinker yet?

You could think about this another way too.

A T, who is not so in touch with his emotions, cause his F-Function is not so good.

Such a person is frustrating and you despair, cause he never gets you right, when you are F. That is a problem in communication then. But it is not his intention, to be cold and professional.