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    Default Reiss's 16 Basic Desires theory

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... ..............

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    1. Acceptance - the need to be appreciated

    This is not a need or a desire for many people.

    2.Curiosity, the need to gain knowledge

    Many people don't have curiosity unless they have a problem they need to solve.

    3.Eating, the need for food

    The only desire when we don't have it, for some not a desire when we have lots of it.

    4.Family, the need to take care of one’s offspring

    In the Western world, many don't want children. How is this explained?

    5.Honor, the need to be faithful to the customary values of an individual’s ethnic group, family or clan

    And yet so many reject these values utterly.

    6.Idealism, the need for social justice

    Whence comes the inequality if this is a human desire? Clearly it must be very weak and ineffectual if it really is a desire.

    7.Independence, the need to be distinct and self-reliant

    But what of the tradition of housewives?

    8.Order, the need for prepared, established, and conventional environments

    I accept this. But many desire to create chaos.

    9.Physical activity, the need for work out of the body

    So many are so sedentary.

    10.Power, the need for control of will

    I accept this one.

    11.Romance, the need for mating or sex

    What of autistic people? Some of them don't have this desire, or so I've read.

    12.Saving, the need to accumulate something

    Many people save nothing. Others save much.

    13.Social contact, the need for relationship with others

    I accept this. But some are utterly misanthropic.

    14.Social status, the need for social significance

    I buy this. But what of those who have no theory of mind?

    15.Tranquility, the need to be secure and protected

    What of those who seek danger? What of those two Australian girls who joined ISIS? Was this not operational for them?

    16.Vengeance, the need to strike back against another person

    What of Jesus?


    NOTE: The ultimate example of using outliers to argue against a generalization.

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    And?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LION4!5 View Post
    NOTE: The ultimate example of using outliers to argue against a generalization.
    The generalization involved 6,000 people, some of whom may have only had one of those 16 desires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    The generalization involved 6,000 people, some of whom may have only had one of those 16 desires.
    I just think the list seems arbitrary. If we're going to say that these are all normal and it is still normal to be missing or way toned down on a couple, then what about adding extra ones? Some people might have as a basic desire to see the pain of other people, or to suffer pain; sadism, masochism. Are we going to rule that out just because it is unethical and maladaptive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LION4!5 View Post
    I just think the list seems arbitrary. If we're going to say that these are all normal and it is still normal to be missing or way toned down on a couple, then what about adding extra ones? Some people might have as a basic desire to see the pain of other people, or to suffer pain; sadism, masochism. Are we going to rule that out just because it is unethical and maladaptive?
    You may want to contact study author Sarah Mae Sincero with whatever questions you have about the results or even the study methods. [I don't know if she was part of the study, but Steven Reiss is listed as the theorist behind it.]
    https://explorable.com/users/sarah
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    I don't know how to contact this Steven Reiss guy, but here's his university webpage: Department of Psychology - Steven Reiss
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    It's about the individual "emphasis" of the desires. Everyone has a unique order of this needs in comparison with others. Here is an example of an individual Reiss-Profile (it's in german, but I think it's pretty clear).

    Here is my personal Reiss-Profile

    Green (high)
    1. Tranquility
    2. Family
    3. Idealism
    4. Curiosity
    5. Acceptance

    Yellow (average)
    6. Eating
    7. Saving
    8. Order
    9. Power
    10. Social status
    11. Social contact
    12. Power

    Red (low)
    13. Independance
    14. Romance
    15. Vengeance
    16. Physical activity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    You may want to contact study author Sarah Mae Sincero with whatever questions you have about the results or even the study methods. [I don't know if she was part of the study, but Steven Reiss is listed as the theorist behind it.]
    https://explorable.com/users/sarah
    I sent her a message. If she replies, I will consider respecting the study. But if she doesn't, then it is a clear and logical proof that the study is invalid because intellectual dishonesty is the only possible explanation for why a researcher would not reply to a message on Google Hangouts from a stranger wanting to query them about research.

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    A need for "vengeance" makes me uncomfortable, but it's probably true. I would say it ties into idealism, "the need for social justice". I think it is to defend oneself against being violated, in an effort to flip the hurt around.

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