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    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueGray View Post
    Wouldn't doing something for duty or to make others happy make you happy as a result?
    Not necessarily. A person could simply do their duty or please others because if they don't they'll feel worse about themselves (hardly any worthwhile definition of "happiness"), or simply because they can't fathom not doing so (which is possible and very common -- rationality isn't a very widespread phenomenon).
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    Happiness can come in the form of preventing unhappiness.

    I'm curious if any information about how mindless people are has ever been taken. People talk about it so much.
    It seems so strange to be mindless. I can't see how exactly it works.
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    Get a job at Gallup. You'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    True, but this points to ESFP rather than ESFJ. See how much higher your Se is than your Si?
    My problem is i flip on my I/E .. I exert so much energy during the day that i must retreat in the evening but i love being around people. and the J/P, i like stability and routine but also being spontaneous. I like to instead of always going on what is right and being organised and thorough, looking at other peoples perspectives and just going with the flow .. It is all dependent on my mood of the moment.

    With regards to Se and Si .. I like to trust my instincts even though in the past i have doubted them. It isn't coincidence the patterns and symbols are there for me to interpret. and this .. Stabilize a situation by comparing it to what is expected, known and reliable. It's ambiguous, expected and known based on my perception which could be possibly wrong.
    I think i do use Se more than Si.

    From the above you get an idea of how my crazy mind works If you can decipher it, then let me know
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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    My problem is i flip on my I/E .. I exert so much energy during the day that i must retreat in the evening but i love being around people. and the J/P, i like stability and routine but also being spontaneous. I like to instead of always going on what is right and being organised and thorough, looking at other peoples perspectives and just going with the flow .. It is all dependent on my mood of the moment.

    With regards to Se and Si .. I like to trust my instincts even though in the past i have doubted them. It isn't coincidence the patterns and symbols are there for me to interpret. and this .. Stabilize a situation by comparing it to what is expected, known and reliable. It's ambiguous, expected and known based on my perception which could be possibly wrong.
    I think i do use Se more than Si.

    From the above you get an idea of how my crazy mind works If you can decipher it, then let me know
    If your mode of operation is to trust your instincts, that isn't Si in any way whatsoever. That's Se to the core, and most likely Se Fi. Si is the opposite of trusting instincts, it is reliance on experience and memory. From what you described it seems that you are an ESFP with a well-balanced tertiary Te. It's a common occurrence, and it often makes ExFPs seem domineering and, well, J-ish.
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    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)

    extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************************* (33.9)
    good use

    introverted Sensing (Si) ************************************************** * (51.5)
    excellent use

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) (-0.699999999999999)
    unused

    introverted Intuiting (Ni) *********************** (23.5)
    limited use

    extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************************* (49.3)
    excellent use

    introverted Thinking (Ti) ******************************* (31.7)
    good use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************ (12.7)
    unused

    introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************** (38.5)
    excellent use

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    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ISTJ

    First test in which I scored negative points, but accurate.

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    extraverted Sensing (Se) ***************** (17)
    limited use

    introverted Sensing (Si) ************************ (24.3)
    average use

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) **************************************** (40.1)
    excellent use

    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************** (38.2)
    excellent use

    extraverted Thinking (Te) ****************************************** (42.5)
    excellent use

    introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************************** (47.4)
    excellent use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************** (14)
    unused

    introverted Feeling (Fi) **************** (16.7)
    limited use

    That's it, but why are some of my shadow functions expressed greatly?
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    Because it's not really about relative strengths.
    Since Ti and Ne are the most preferred, then it makes sense that Te and Ni would also be strong, because all they are are your preferred functions in the opposite orientation.
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    Well, that's not necessarily the case. My four first functions are very strong and very balanced, but all my shadow functions suck.
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    In different people it will be different. It might be a difference of one person being more conscious of the shadow, and then functions 5 and 6 back up 1 and 2.
    Since the test measures behaviors, and the functions are really perspectives, it could just be picking up behaviors the person is aware of.

    It's just that if 5 and 6 are strong, there's a good reason it would make sense. If they're not, then no problem either. 7 and 8 can even be strong, and an explanation for that would be same side brain alternatives. Type is really #1 & 2, and the rest have to remain flexible, as far as strength.
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