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who are you meant to be?

EcK

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took the test on my tablet computer at work but the damned thing wouldn't let me copy and paste from that site :thelook:

I was going to bitch about the fact that it said that I want all of the control, but then Eck got the same result so I have less to complain about it saying that I'm possibly evil because he doesn't seem THAT sinister :thinking:

Well it seems a bit boorish a definition of leadership. Do we really believe that people who are driven to make shit happen have it come from a place of need and issues yet admire and follow leaders.
It seems a bit incoherent.

Which is why i said i wouldnt use this test for psychometrics. Not that I care about the result but most of it just didn't fit my management style at all and made alot of assumptions about reasons for my behavior which are simply well, simplistic to a fault. I don't need to be complicated for the sake of feeling special but this test assumes drive for leadership = drive for controlfreakiness which isnt really a useful mental tool to carry around.

Also it stinks of slave morality. The less a 'drive/thrive' is generally correlated with overall socioeconomic success the more they describe it as noble and awesome. It's a bit childish to say the least.
 

EcK

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But you're an Angel bear! :holy:
Patronizing assholes hearing voices in their heads and convinced they are on a mission from god?
Angels aren't exactly models of un-shadiness
 

miss fortune

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Well it seems a bit boorish a definition of leadership. Do we really believe that people who are driven to make shit happen have it come from a place of need and issues yet admire and follow leaders.
It seems a bit incoherent.

Which is why i said i wouldnt use this test for psychometrics. Not that I care about the result but most of it just didn't fit my management style at all and made alot of assumptions about reasons for my behavior which are simply well, simplistic to a fault. I don't need to be complicated for the sake of feeling special but this test assumes drive for leadership = drive for controlfreakiness which isnt really a useful mental tool to carry around.

Also it stinks of slave morality. The less a 'drive/thrive' is generally correlated with overall socioeconomic success the more they describe it as noble and awesome. It's a bit childish to say the least.

yeah... the quiz kind of misses some essential drives that make people tick... for instance, I really am all about my own personal independence more than anything... if it comes out that I want to control things maybe it's just because they haven't given me any good options of just being left to my own devices? after all... when it all comes down to the choice of putting my fate into the hands of others or vice versa I'm going to pick to be the one who pulls the lever, not because I want to control anyone else particularly, but because I really don't want them controlling me :ninja:

tests always oversimplify things... everything is generally a good deal more muddied and complicated than they end up claiming... that's why I gave up on having a type... nothing explains things right really :shrug:

Patronizing assholes hearing voices in their heads and convinced they are on a mission from god?
Angels aren't exactly models of un-shadiness

well... and I DID read Neverwhere :laugh:

but the Blues Brothers are on a mission from god as well and they're MUCH cooler! :cool: <-- he needs a hat
 

EcK

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yeah... the quiz kind of misses some essential drives that make people tick... for instance, I really am all about my own personal independence more than anything... if it comes out that I want to control things maybe it's just because they haven't given me any good options of just being left to my own devices? after all... when it all comes down to the choice of putting my fate into the hands of others or vice versa I'm going to pick to be the one who pulls the lever, not because I want to control anyone else particularly, but because I really don't want them controlling me :ninja:

tests always oversimplify things... everything is generally a good deal more muddied and complicated than they end up claiming... that's why I gave up on having a type... nothing explains things right really :shrug:



well... and I DID read Neverwhere :laugh:

but the Blues Brothers are on a mission from god as well and they're MUCH cooler! :cool: <-- he needs a hat

Mmhhh.
This angel bear is heading to his traditional Saturday (=Sunday where you are) party.
Was working on a video shoot all week end :happy2: I was organizing it because it was last minute and the guy with the know how is joining us in a week.
See in this situation a 'leadership role' is basically me taking responsability for whatever could go wrong, making my team happy with spending their weekend working and delivering something that is supposed to take 2 weeks in 3 days, people just see the 'cool aspects' and forget essentials such as : well I freaking well deserve what happens to me because I take responsability for other people fuck ups as well so why shouldn't I get credit for working 60 hours a week and saving the day several times a month without mentioning that 10 hours of my work every week is just making up for other ppl's unprofessionalism and lack of commitment while, instead of trying to find blame, figuring out how to motivate them.

I love the process, i love creating new things, i love how I get more competent every month I work and yes the price for everybody else to put 35 hours in a week including 10 hours of procastination is that even though I am fair and don't act 'bossy' I am still technically their boss.
If they can't deal with that they are welcome to triple their productivity, be available around the clock and skip lunch breaks 4 times a week.
 

miss fortune

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Mmhhh.
This angel bear is heading to his traditional Saturday (=Sunday where you are) party.
Was working on a video shoot all week end :happy2: I was organizing it because it was last minute and the guy with the know how is joining us in a week.
See in this situation a 'leadership role' is basically me taking responsability for whatever could go wrong, making my team happy with spending their weekend working and delivering something that is supposed to take 2 weeks in 3 days, people just see the 'cool aspects' and forget essentials such as : well I freaking well deserve what happens to me because I take responsability for other people fuck ups as well so why shouldn't I get credit for working 60 hours a week and saving the day several times a month without mentioning that 10 hours of my work every week is just making up for other ppl's unprofessionalism and lack of commitment while, instead of trying to find blame, figuring out how to motivate them.

I love the process, i love creating new things, i love how I get more competent every month I work and yes the price for everybody else to put 35 hours in a week including 10 hours of procastination is that even though I am fair and don't act 'bossy' I am still technically their boss.
If they can't deal with that they are welcome to triple their productivity, be available around the clock and skip lunch breaks 4 times a week.

don't ask me when a traditional party night is, because by the end of my partying phase it was EVERY night :ninja:

but yes, I can understand that... I'm in charge of a group of people at work and have been for quite a while... if they do something wrong I'm held accountable and if they don't succeed I am as well, therefore it is in my best interests to make sure that they do what they need to do at any given point for ALL of our own good :laugh:

it's amazing how that can be mentally ingrained after a while :shock:

and good on wrapping that up! :)
 
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don't ask me when a traditional party night is, because by the end of my partying phase it was EVERY night :ninja:

but yes, I can understand that... I'm in charge of a group of people at work and have been for quite a while... if they do something wrong I'm held accountable and if they don't succeed I am as well, therefore it is in my best interests to make sure that they do what they need to do at any given point for ALL of our own good :laugh:

it's amazing how that can be mentally ingrained after a while :shock:

and good on wrapping that up! :)


Tuesday. It's Tuesday.



I got striving to be knowledgeable: 17. Hm, thanks Oprah.
 

Thursday

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YOU ARE STRIVING TO BE IN CONTROL
You are a leader: You approach everything as though you were born to be in charge. Confident, assertive, and decisive, you know what you want and you go after it. You also look out for family, friends, and community—you feel you know what's best for them—and have no fear of confronting anyone who challenges your ideas. Taking the driver's seat, you also generously donate time and energy to people and neighborhood projects.

What to watch out for: When you feel threatened, or others refuse to go along with your agenda, you can become confrontational and domineering, sometimes to the point of being dictatorial. Practice letting someone else take charge on occasion. Also try meditation; it can help you be-come more aware of your controlling impulses and ease the anxiety that may be provoking them.

Looking ahead: You discover your purpose when you take control of your environment. For you, finding a decision-making role is key. That could mean anything from producing a play to spearheading a global campaign for something you care about. In work, you're suited for leadership positions in education, government, industry, finance, religious institutions, or politics. But you can find satisfaction anytime you're given the autonomy to do things your own way.

Secondary Tie for : Being Helpful and Being Recognized
 

Owlesque

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Striving to help: 4
Striving to be recognized: 15
Striving to be creative: 12
Striving to be spontaneous: 13
Striving to be knowledgeable: 18
Striving to be secure: 14
Striving to be in control: 13
 

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Striving to help: 14
Striving to be recognized: 10
Striving to be creative: 18
Striving to be spontaneous: 12
Striving to be knowledgeable: 17
Striving to be secure: 16
Striving to be in control: 13


YOU ARE STRIVING TO BE CREATIVE
You are an artist: You came out of the womb with a paintbrush in your hand. Or maybe it was a flute or a castanet or a fountain pen to go with your poet's imagination. The point is, you're an original, and you know it. Even if you don't have a singular gift, you're drawn to the arts—anything creative, for that matter—and you have a unique way of looking at the world. Your need for depth and authenticity in relationships can lead to both great joy and profound sorrow, depending on whether others reciprocate. You don't care so much about adapting to group or societal expectations; your independence and sharp intuition propel you on your own path.

What to watch out for: When fear of conformity overrides your creativity, you can assume the role of "outsider" or "orphan" and end up feeling alienated. You may even go so far as refusing to vote or pay taxes. This lone-wolf stance might be a defense against feeling vulnerable. Try to be aware that blaming others for your banishment, or pushing away those who want to get close, only makes things worse. Also, dramatizing your emotions can interfere with your creativity.

Looking ahead: As long as you genuinely express yourself, you feel like the person you were meant to be. How you do it is irrelevant. A chef or architect can be as much of an artist as a painter or sculptor. Many advertising and public relations executives are also highly imaginative. Beyond work, there are opportunities everywhere you look to coax out your inner artist: Design your own jewelry line, create an innovative blog, dream up a comic strip. Relationships are another avenue for self-expression.
 
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Striving to be knowledgeable: 17
Striving to be secure: 15
Striving to be creative: 13
Striving to be spontaneous: 13
Striving to be in control: 13
Striving to help: 12
Striving to be recognized: 9
 

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Striving to be spontaneous: 12
Striving to be knowledgeable: 17
Striving to be secure: 12
Striving to be in control: 15
 
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Striving to be in control: 17
Striving to be recognized: 16
Striving to be creative: 15
Striving to be spontaneous: 15
Striving to help: 10
Striving to be secure: 7

Pretty much. My feeling is that security happens all by itself if I'm competent and capable enough.

Although, I got 'dinged' on the 'help' category because I don't meddle when people tell me to back off :shrug:
 
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Striving to be Recognized: 4
Striving to be Creative: 13
Striving to be Spontaneous: 11
Striving to be Knowledgeable: 12
Striving to be Secure: 7
Striving to be in Control: 7



Striving to be Creative

You are an artist: You came out of the womb with a paintbrush in your hand. Or maybe it was a flute or a castanet or a fountain pen to go with your poet’s imagination. The point is, you’re an original, and you know it. Even if you don’t have a singular gift, you’re drawn to the arts—anything creative, for that matter— and you have a unique way of looking at the world. Your need for depth and authenticity in relationships can lead to both great joy and profound sorrow, depending on whether others reciprocate. You don’t care so much about adapting to group or societal expectations; your independence and sharp intuition propel you on your own path.


What to watch out for: When fear of conformity overrides your creativity, you can assume the role of “outsider” or “orphan” and end up feeling alienated. You may even go so far as refusing to vote or pay taxes. This lone-wolf stance might be a defense against feeling vulnerable. Try to be aware that blaming others for your banishment, or pushing away those who want to get close, only makes things worse. Also, dramatizing your emotions can interfere with your creativity.


Looking ahead: As long as you genuinely express yourself, you feel like the person you were meant to be. How you do it is irrelevant. A chef or architect can be as much of an artist as a painter or sculptor. Many advertising and public relations executives are also highly imaginative. Beyond work, there are opportunities everywhere you look to coax out your inner artist: Design your own jewelry line, create an innovative blog, dream up a comic strip. Relationships are another avenue for self-expression.

Striving to be Knowledgeable

You are an intellectual: As a leader, you’re often ahead of your time. As an employee, you try to surpass the competence level of peers, even managers. Incisive and curious, you’re driven to deeply understand how things work. But that’s things, not people. Oh, your family and friends are important; it’s just that you don’t need to spend hours engaging with them. Social validation isn’t your goal—you’re secure enough in your cerebral pursuits.


What to watch out for: When you can’t find a way to be the expert, you may withdraw or simply withhold information, which can make you seem smug or arrogant. If you feel yourself retreating into your own world, seek a friend’s help to pull you back. Also balance your cerebral tendencies through physical activities like jogging, hiking, or dance.


Looking ahead: You discover who you are meant to be through accumulating insight and knowledge. So follow your curiosity. Are you drawn to learning Mandarin? Joining a philosophy society? Studying and practicing Buddhist meditation? Delving into the complexities of computer programming? Writing a historical book? Pursuits that place you near the leading edge of technology, science, psychology, academia, or business are good bets. But any situation that allows you to work independently with freedom to investigate and innovate will fuel your drive.

Striving to be Spontaneous

You are an adventurer: Action-oriented, curious, outgoing, and often technically gifted, you live for new experiences. You are drawn to risk-taking and aren’t afraid to fail. Generally restless, you tend to job-hop or choose a field that offers constant novelty. If you had to name your favorite place, it might be the center of attention—you’re a born entertainer, and can easily adapt to any audience. While you collect many acquaintances, you’re less likely to develop deep, committed relationships.


What to watch out for: When you can’t satisfy your thirst for variety and excitement, you may see yourself as trapped, which can lead to impulsive and self-destructive behavior—drinking, drugs, breaking off relationships, ditching financial responsibilities. Try to find value in some traditions; if you learn to appreciate repetitive experiences, you won’t always feel the urge to bust free. And when a new opportunity thrills you, keep in mind that just because it sounds exciting, that doesn’t mean it’s good for you.


Looking ahead: Life will have meaning for you as long as you feel stimulated. That might mean chasing twisters, exploring the polar ice caps, getting a degree in dance therapy, or becoming an astronaut. It might also mean reading new books, attending workshops, or letting yourself get swept up in an intoxicating romance. As a risk-lover with a lot of energy, you’re a natural entrepreneur. You’ll be happiest if you change jobs every so often and travel extensively. Movement is what keeps you going.


Striving to Help

You are a nurturer: You are caring and supportive in your personal relationships as well as in your job. Unselfish and altruistic by nature, you often anticipate the needs of those around you before they are aware of them. If there is one thing that brings you satisfaction, it’s tending to others.


What to watch out for: When you’re doing things for people only to feel valued, you can become resentful. And if you sense that your help is not appreciated, you may end up playing the martyr. So before giving your time to everyone else, make sure to take care of yourself (physically, emotionally, and spiritually). And practice waiting until someone asks for help: While you may be able to perceive what a person needs, that doesn’t mean she wants you to attend to it.


Looking ahead: It’s important for you to be genuinely of service in acknowledged ways. Whether you foster a child, care for an elderly aunt, rescue animals, or support a rock star’s career as her personal assistant, look for opportunities where you can help other people or bigger causes. Volunteer work has your name written on it, as do many careers: nursing, teaching, customer service, healing, social work. Don’t feel pressured to run the company or lead the project; you may be even more effective as someone’s right hand. And you’ll likely find working with other people more meaningful than flying solo.
 

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Striving to be Knowledgeable: 12
Striving to be Spontaneous: 11
Striving to be in Control: 9
Striving to be Recognized: 7
Striving to Help: 5 / Striving to be Secure: 5

You are an artist: You came out of the womb with a paintbrush in your hand. Or maybe it was a flute or a castanet or a fountain pen to go with your poet’s imagination. The point is, you’re an original, and you know it. Even if you don’t have a singular gift, you’re drawn to the arts—anything creative, for that matter— and you have a unique way of looking at the world. Your need for depth and authenticity in relationships can lead to both great joy and profound sorrow, depending on whether others reciprocate. You don’t care so much about adapting to group or societal expectations; your independence and sharp intuition propel you on your own path.

What to watch out for: When fear of conformity overrides your creativity, you can assume the role of “outsider” or “orphan” and end up feeling alienated. You may even go so far as refusing to vote or pay taxes. This lone-wolf stance might be a defense against feeling vulnerable. Try to be aware that blaming others for your banishment, or pushing away those who want to get close, only makes things worse. Also, dramatizing your emotions can interfere with your creativity.

Looking ahead: As long as you genuinely express yourself, you feel like the person you were meant to be. How you do it is irrelevant. A chef or architect can be as much of an artist as a painter or sculptor. Many advertising and public relations executives are also highly imaginative. Beyond work, there are opportunities everywhere you look to coax out your inner artist: Design your own jewelry line, create an innovative blog, dream up a comic strip. Relationships are another avenue for self-expression.
 

Verona

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Striving to Help: 7
Striving to be Recognized: 7
Striving to be Creative: 13
Striving to be Spontaneous: 5
Striving to be Knowledgeable: 14
Striving to be Secure: 7
Striving to be in Control: 9
 

Morpeko

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Striving to Help: 6
Striving to be Recognized: 8
Striving to be Creative: 13
Striving to be Spontaneous: 5
Striving to be Knowledgeable: 10
Striving to be Secure: 10
Striving to be in Control: 6

You are an artist: You came out of the womb with a paintbrush in your hand. Or maybe it was a flute or a castanet or a fountain pen to go with your poet’s imagination. The point is, you’re an original, and you know it. Even if you don’t have a singular gift, you’re drawn to the arts—anything creative, for that matter— and you have a unique way of looking at the world. Your need for depth and authenticity in relationships can lead to both great joy and profound sorrow, depending on whether others reciprocate. You don’t care so much about adapting to group or societal expectations; your independence and sharp intuition propel you on your own path.


What to watch out for: When fear of conformity overrides your creativity, you can assume the role of “outsider” or “orphan” and end up feeling alienated. You may even go so far as refusing to vote or pay taxes. This lone-wolf stance might be a defense against feeling vulnerable. Try to be aware that blaming others for your banishment, or pushing away those who want to get close, only makes things worse. Also, dramatizing your emotions can interfere with your creativity.


Looking ahead: As long as you genuinely express yourself, you feel like the person you were meant to be. How you do it is irrelevant. A chef or architect can be as much of an artist as a painter or sculptor. Many advertising and public relations executives are also highly imaginative. Beyond work, there are opportunities everywhere you look to coax out your inner artist: Design your own jewelry line, create an innovative blog, dream up a comic strip. Relationships are another avenue for self-expression.
 

Red Memories

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Below are your scores. Find the personality type with the highest score and scroll down to read the associated description.
Striving to Help: 12
Striving to be Recognized: 6
Striving to be Creative: 14
Striving to be Spontaneous: 7
Striving to be Knowledgeable: 12
Striving to be Secure: 14
Striving to be in Control: 10

Striving to be Creative

You are an artist: You came out of the womb with a paintbrush in your hand. Or maybe it was a flute or a castanet or a fountain pen to go with your poet’s imagination. The point is, you’re an original, and you know it. Even if you don’t have a singular gift, you’re drawn to the arts—anything creative, for that matter— and you have a unique way of looking at the world. Your need for depth and authenticity in relationships can lead to both great joy and profound sorrow, depending on whether others reciprocate. You don’t care so much about adapting to group or societal expectations; your independence and sharp intuition propel you on your own path.


What to watch out for: When fear of conformity overrides your creativity, you can assume the role of “outsider” or “orphan” and end up feeling alienated. You may even go so far as refusing to vote or pay taxes. This lone-wolf stance might be a defense against feeling vulnerable. Try to be aware that blaming others for your banishment, or pushing away those who want to get close, only makes things worse. Also, dramatizing your emotions can interfere with your creativity.


Looking ahead: As long as you genuinely express yourself, you feel like the person you were meant to be. How you do it is irrelevant. A chef or architect can be as much of an artist as a painter or sculptor. Many advertising and public relations executives are also highly imaginative. Beyond work, there are opportunities everywhere you look to coax out your inner artist: Design your own jewelry line, create an innovative blog, dream up a comic strip. Relationships are another avenue for self-expression.

Striving to be Secure

You are a stabilizer: You are the rock in a storm, the one others lean on. Loyal and committed in your relationships, you maintain a support system of like-minded people whom you look out for. (So what if you do it behind the scenes and don’t get credit?) You’re careful with money, cherish the familiar, and defend the traditions you care about.


What to watch out for: Rapidly changing environments (like a shaky economy) are very hard for you. As a result of such instability, you can spiral into a state where everything seems catastrophic and you’re sure life will only get worse. You can also become overcontrolling, rejecting any suggestion that doesn’t conform to your idea of the way things should be. To avoid being too rigid, each month try changing one habit. Experiment with clothes, drive a different way to work, initiate conversations about subjects you wouldn’t normally discuss. And when the opportunity arises to do something new, avoid the impulse to immediately say no— this may be nerve-racking, but the more you practice, the less anxious you’ll feel.


Looking ahead: You find meaning in pursuing safety and certainty. Focusing on family can give you great satisfaction. Also consider planting a vegetable garden, hosting class reunions, volunteering as a lifeguard, teaching at your church or temple. In the work arena, look for positions where you’re responsible for others, and for making sure everyone is following the rules. You work well in any environment that is stable and consistent. Careers in government, finance, the military, law enforcement, and product manufacturing are strong options for you.
 

Maou

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Striving to Help: 4
Striving to be Recognized: 11
Striving to be Creative: 9
Striving to be Spontaneous: 12
Striving to be Knowledgeable: 11
Striving to be Secure: 5
Striving to be in Control: 10
 

chickpea

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Striving to be Spontaneous: 12
Striving to be Creative: 11
Striving to be in Control: 7
Striving to Help: 7
Striving to be Recognized: 6
Striving to be Secure: 5
 
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