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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    took the test on my tablet computer at work but the damned thing wouldn't let me copy and paste from that site

    I was going to bitch about the fact that it said that I want all of the control, but then Eck got the same result so I have less to complain about it saying that I'm possibly evil because he doesn't seem THAT sinister
    Well it seems a bit boorish a definition of leadership. Do we really believe that people who are driven to make shit happen have it come from a place of need and issues yet admire and follow leaders.
    It seems a bit incoherent.

    Which is why i said i wouldnt use this test for psychometrics. Not that I care about the result but most of it just didn't fit my management style at all and made alot of assumptions about reasons for my behavior which are simply well, simplistic to a fault. I don't need to be complicated for the sake of feeling special but this test assumes drive for leadership = drive for controlfreakiness which isnt really a useful mental tool to carry around.

    Also it stinks of slave morality. The less a 'drive/thrive' is generally correlated with overall socioeconomic success the more they describe it as noble and awesome. It's a bit childish to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    But.. I want to be sinister
    But you're an Angel bear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    But you're an Angel bear!
    Patronizing assholes hearing voices in their heads and convinced they are on a mission from god?
    Angels aren't exactly models of un-shadiness
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Well it seems a bit boorish a definition of leadership. Do we really believe that people who are driven to make shit happen have it come from a place of need and issues yet admire and follow leaders.
    It seems a bit incoherent.

    Which is why i said i wouldnt use this test for psychometrics. Not that I care about the result but most of it just didn't fit my management style at all and made alot of assumptions about reasons for my behavior which are simply well, simplistic to a fault. I don't need to be complicated for the sake of feeling special but this test assumes drive for leadership = drive for controlfreakiness which isnt really a useful mental tool to carry around.

    Also it stinks of slave morality. The less a 'drive/thrive' is generally correlated with overall socioeconomic success the more they describe it as noble and awesome. It's a bit childish to say the least.
    yeah... the quiz kind of misses some essential drives that make people tick... for instance, I really am all about my own personal independence more than anything... if it comes out that I want to control things maybe it's just because they haven't given me any good options of just being left to my own devices? after all... when it all comes down to the choice of putting my fate into the hands of others or vice versa I'm going to pick to be the one who pulls the lever, not because I want to control anyone else particularly, but because I really don't want them controlling me

    tests always oversimplify things... everything is generally a good deal more muddied and complicated than they end up claiming... that's why I gave up on having a type... nothing explains things right really

    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Patronizing assholes hearing voices in their heads and convinced they are on a mission from god?
    Angels aren't exactly models of un-shadiness
    well... and I DID read Neverwhere

    but the Blues Brothers are on a mission from god as well and they're MUCH cooler! <-- he needs a hat
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    yeah... the quiz kind of misses some essential drives that make people tick... for instance, I really am all about my own personal independence more than anything... if it comes out that I want to control things maybe it's just because they haven't given me any good options of just being left to my own devices? after all... when it all comes down to the choice of putting my fate into the hands of others or vice versa I'm going to pick to be the one who pulls the lever, not because I want to control anyone else particularly, but because I really don't want them controlling me

    tests always oversimplify things... everything is generally a good deal more muddied and complicated than they end up claiming... that's why I gave up on having a type... nothing explains things right really



    well... and I DID read Neverwhere

    but the Blues Brothers are on a mission from god as well and they're MUCH cooler! <-- he needs a hat
    Mmhhh.
    This angel bear is heading to his traditional Saturday (=Sunday where you are) party.
    Was working on a video shoot all week end I was organizing it because it was last minute and the guy with the know how is joining us in a week.
    See in this situation a 'leadership role' is basically me taking responsability for whatever could go wrong, making my team happy with spending their weekend working and delivering something that is supposed to take 2 weeks in 3 days, people just see the 'cool aspects' and forget essentials such as : well I freaking well deserve what happens to me because I take responsability for other people fuck ups as well so why shouldn't I get credit for working 60 hours a week and saving the day several times a month without mentioning that 10 hours of my work every week is just making up for other ppl's unprofessionalism and lack of commitment while, instead of trying to find blame, figuring out how to motivate them.

    I love the process, i love creating new things, i love how I get more competent every month I work and yes the price for everybody else to put 35 hours in a week including 10 hours of procastination is that even though I am fair and don't act 'bossy' I am still technically their boss.
    If they can't deal with that they are welcome to triple their productivity, be available around the clock and skip lunch breaks 4 times a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Mmhhh.
    This angel bear is heading to his traditional Saturday (=Sunday where you are) party.
    Was working on a video shoot all week end I was organizing it because it was last minute and the guy with the know how is joining us in a week.
    See in this situation a 'leadership role' is basically me taking responsability for whatever could go wrong, making my team happy with spending their weekend working and delivering something that is supposed to take 2 weeks in 3 days, people just see the 'cool aspects' and forget essentials such as : well I freaking well deserve what happens to me because I take responsability for other people fuck ups as well so why shouldn't I get credit for working 60 hours a week and saving the day several times a month without mentioning that 10 hours of my work every week is just making up for other ppl's unprofessionalism and lack of commitment while, instead of trying to find blame, figuring out how to motivate them.

    I love the process, i love creating new things, i love how I get more competent every month I work and yes the price for everybody else to put 35 hours in a week including 10 hours of procastination is that even though I am fair and don't act 'bossy' I am still technically their boss.
    If they can't deal with that they are welcome to triple their productivity, be available around the clock and skip lunch breaks 4 times a week.
    don't ask me when a traditional party night is, because by the end of my partying phase it was EVERY night

    but yes, I can understand that... I'm in charge of a group of people at work and have been for quite a while... if they do something wrong I'm held accountable and if they don't succeed I am as well, therefore it is in my best interests to make sure that they do what they need to do at any given point for ALL of our own good

    it's amazing how that can be mentally ingrained after a while

    and good on wrapping that up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    don't ask me when a traditional party night is, because by the end of my partying phase it was EVERY night

    but yes, I can understand that... I'm in charge of a group of people at work and have been for quite a while... if they do something wrong I'm held accountable and if they don't succeed I am as well, therefore it is in my best interests to make sure that they do what they need to do at any given point for ALL of our own good

    it's amazing how that can be mentally ingrained after a while

    and good on wrapping that up!

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    YOU ARE STRIVING TO BE IN CONTROL
    You are a leader: You approach everything as though you were born to be in charge. Confident, assertive, and decisive, you know what you want and you go after it. You also look out for family, friends, and community—you feel you know what's best for them—and have no fear of confronting anyone who challenges your ideas. Taking the driver's seat, you also generously donate time and energy to people and neighborhood projects.

    What to watch out for: When you feel threatened, or others refuse to go along with your agenda, you can become confrontational and domineering, sometimes to the point of being dictatorial. Practice letting someone else take charge on occasion. Also try meditation; it can help you be-come more aware of your controlling impulses and ease the anxiety that may be provoking them.

    Looking ahead: You discover your purpose when you take control of your environment. For you, finding a decision-making role is key. That could mean anything from producing a play to spearheading a global campaign for something you care about. In work, you're suited for leadership positions in education, government, industry, finance, religious institutions, or politics. But you can find satisfaction anytime you're given the autonomy to do things your own way.

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    Striving to help: 4
    Striving to be recognized: 15
    Striving to be creative: 12
    Striving to be spontaneous: 13
    Striving to be knowledgeable: 18
    Striving to be secure: 14
    Striving to be in control: 13

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    Striving to help: 14
    Striving to be recognized: 10
    Striving to be creative: 18
    Striving to be spontaneous: 12
    Striving to be knowledgeable: 17
    Striving to be secure: 16
    Striving to be in control: 13


    YOU ARE STRIVING TO BE CREATIVE
    You are an artist: You came out of the womb with a paintbrush in your hand. Or maybe it was a flute or a castanet or a fountain pen to go with your poet's imagination. The point is, you're an original, and you know it. Even if you don't have a singular gift, you're drawn to the arts—anything creative, for that matter—and you have a unique way of looking at the world. Your need for depth and authenticity in relationships can lead to both great joy and profound sorrow, depending on whether others reciprocate. You don't care so much about adapting to group or societal expectations; your independence and sharp intuition propel you on your own path.

    What to watch out for: When fear of conformity overrides your creativity, you can assume the role of "outsider" or "orphan" and end up feeling alienated. You may even go so far as refusing to vote or pay taxes. This lone-wolf stance might be a defense against feeling vulnerable. Try to be aware that blaming others for your banishment, or pushing away those who want to get close, only makes things worse. Also, dramatizing your emotions can interfere with your creativity.

    Looking ahead: As long as you genuinely express yourself, you feel like the person you were meant to be. How you do it is irrelevant. A chef or architect can be as much of an artist as a painter or sculptor. Many advertising and public relations executives are also highly imaginative. Beyond work, there are opportunities everywhere you look to coax out your inner artist: Design your own jewelry line, create an innovative blog, dream up a comic strip. Relationships are another avenue for self-expression.

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