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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Sure, that would be nice. But some people have consistently shown that they desire to continue down a path of destructive behaviour. Often, and very annoyingly, those people seem to get everything they want out of life. So I would be lying if I said it was not satisfying to see everything fall apart for them.

    I do want people to see the light as well, and I do think people can change. But in so many cases (most?) - they really don't. They're too selfish. I have had many experiences and have witnessed many more at more of a distance to confirm this. If you hold out too much hope for people to change, you get hurt. Repeatedly. A bit of self-protection is not a bad thing.

    The trouble with my latent desire for revenge is that it tends to cause me more pain than I would actually experience if I could let go a bit more. Or at least let go and watch "you reap what you sow"/karma/poetic justice do its thing.
    Well, I should let you know that I have never felt the feeling of wanting revenge, not even as a child. When I was bullied, I felt sorry for the bullies that they were even driven to that state of mind. I know these type of people won't change. I know they're "too selfish". But that doesn't stop me from caring about them. I want what's best for them.
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    Lay the coin on my tongue SilkRoad's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Well, I should let you know that I have never felt the feeling of wanting revenge, not even as a child. When I was bullied, I felt sorry for the bullies that they were even driven to that state of mind. I know these type of people won't change. I know they're "too selfish". But that doesn't stop me from caring about them. I want what's best for them.
    I can honestly say that is impressive and I wish I was more like that. I aspire to it.

    I'm pretty caring/wanting people to change/wanting what's best for them....up to a point. Then a switch flips and I just feel cold toward them and don't wish them well. Unless they come back and apologise and show that they've genuinely changed long-term but people very seldom do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I can honestly say that is impressive and I wish I was more like that. I aspire to it.
    Thank you!

    I'm pretty caring/wanting people to change/wanting what's best for them....up to a point. Then a switch flips and I just feel cold toward them and don't wish them well. Unless they come back and apologise and show that they've genuinely changed long-term but people very seldom do that.
    Which is what makes it even more heartbreaking, for me, that a majority of them won't even get better. This is why I want to be a psychologist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    I don't relate with this at ALL.
    Same here. I take no pleasure in watching people screw up or suffer. I'm the person who cringes in sympathetic agony when watching other people embarrass themselves, while everyone else laughs hysterically.
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    19.
    Which is interesting. Lately I've actually been thinking on similar issues of 'social desirability'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Same here. I take no pleasure in watching people screw up or suffer. I'm the person who cringes in sympathetic agony when watching other people embarrass themselves, while everyone else laughs hysterically.
    I'm totally the same way. I guess it's an IxFP thing. It makes me wonder how people think Fi is always a selfish function...
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    My score is 18.

    Not taking pleasure from other's suffering seems common to INFPs here. That's a nice thing to know. ^^
    And I think it relates to the other 2 INFPs I know in person. ^^

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Which is what makes it even more heartbreaking, for me, that a majority of them won't even get better. This is why I want to be a psychologist.
    Heeeey! Another one who wants be a psychologist here!

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    I scored 19 (average range) which is rather impressive since I don't put a whole lot of value on social desirability by these standards. =) I'm neither heartless or a doormat.. sounds about right =)
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    I got 11.....


    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Most of the questions on the test only ask you how you FEEL or initially react to things, not the decisions you make, your moral reasoning, and how you act or treat others. To me, the questionnaire doesn't make sense.
    Yeah, some things I really just don't have some of the usual negative reactions that some people seem to have. It's not that I have superior moral reasoning/acting/control/whatever...

    Like, if I don't like someone, why would that mean I want something bad to happen to them? I neither think or feel that way. It's better for good things to happen then bad things regardless, isn't it? It helps us all for that person to be improved upon rather than deteriorate and really turn nasty.

    Also, even when I've had extreme rage moments, I do not feel the urge to damage people or things. I've screamed until my voice got hoarse, and intensely wanted to install a chip in their heads for them to stop being so stupid or aggressive, but I think I'm just not a physical enough person to connect my rage to my body and get violent.

    But then I don't really dislike people either, except maybe ridiculously bad criminals, but even then I don't want bad things to happen to them, I just want them as far away from hurting another person as possible. If bad things happen to them at that island they are dropped off to, oh well...

    Also, people are bastards and have bastardly instincts.
    I never understood this line of reasoning.

    I don't think these base instincts and reactions say anything about either ethical mettle or 'social desirability'.
    True, I think the questionnaire is more about having a bias towards answering in a more socially desirable way, than actually getting at how socially desirable you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    I'm totally the same way. I guess it's an IxFP thing. It makes me wonder how people think Fi is always a selfish function...
    I don't think it is, seems to me more like Fi is just as likely to be kind to everyone because it is simply "right", as it is to want to punish people who violate certain principles.

    I don't really get you Fi'ers though, this striving for goodness.... I just think people are cool

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