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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I have tryed but I simply dont have enough Fi for this kind of a test.
    As a matter of fact I think that making political choices on believes is a complete miss in most cases.
    You consider beliefs to be tied to Fi? Why?

    What is the other basis for political choice?

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    I base my political beliefs and choices on what I see as objectively best, as based on evidence and experience.

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    I couldn't decide... I can't just make judgements like that without knowing the surrounding circumstances

    plus, using cookies as an example is just silly

    *did not finish the test*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I have tryed but I simply dont have enough Fi for this kind of a test.
    As a matter of fact I think that making political choices on believes is a complete miss in most cases.
    Are you kidding? This sort of test is agonising for this Fi-dom and I suspect it might be for other IXFPs. We want win-win situations not tough choices. Consequently I got:


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    Fair is equality of power, responsibility, and opportunity, while also balancing equality of distribution and needs, on the one hand, and rules, rights, hard work, keeping agreements, and leadership, on the other.

    You might or might not identify as a libertarian.

    You probably believe that sometimes people's circumstances are within their own control, and sometimes not.

    A society where citizens are self-disciplined, self-reliant, and balance their own needs and the creation of community, might appeal to you.

    You might be resigned to an unconstrained society, with initiative in the marketplace, and both worry that there is little you can do to control your situation and worry about economic and foreign threats, while also being concerned that we are ignoring risks that we should be working to prevent, and that social changes may disrupt society.

    You might feel there is little we can or should do to effect the environment, believing that nature is both resilient and random, tolerant yet fragile.

    You might fall in the center of Dr. Paul Ray's New Political Compass, and may also identify as a Cultural Creative. On the World's Smallest Political Quiz, you'd probably fall in the Centrist diamond.

    If someone were to criticize you in a political debate, they'd probably accuse you of being soft or naive. On the other hand, it's possible that you've accused someone (holding political opinions different from your own) of being close-minded.
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    Seems right...

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    Fair is equality of power, responsibility, and opportunity, while also following the rules, getting what you work for, what you agree to, and what you have a right to, and recognizing ability.

    You perhaps have something in common with the 11% of the U.S. population (13% of voters) whom the Pew Center identifies as Upbeats: pro-business and having a positive view of government.

    You might identify as a free-market libertarian, favoring economic freedom, but comfortable with regulation of personal activities.

    You would probably agree with the statement that "People Make the World". In other words, that people's circumstances are usually within their control.

    A society where citizens are self-disciplined, self-reliant, and government doesn't meddle--might appeal to you.

    You might favor trial-and-error in an unconstrained society, a marketplace of initiative, and worry foreign and economic threats, while also being concerned about social deviance that disrupts society.

    You might believe that the environment will fix itself, believing that nature is both tolerant and resilient.

    You might fall in the South-Easterly direction on Dr. Paul Ray's New Political Compass, and probably fall in the Right-wing (Conservative) quadrant of the World's Smallest Political Quiz.

    If someone were to criticize you in a political debate, they'd probably accuse you of not caring about people. On the other hand, it's possible that you've accused someone (holding political opinions different from your own) of either being soft or not understanding how things work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You consider beliefs to be tied to Fi? Why?

    What is the other basis for political choice?
    I dont think this is a right thread for this conversation/debate so I will be brief.
    (yes, this is brief)


    And yes I think there is plenty of thinking about politics that contains too much Fi. The trick is that I think that political structures deliberalty use emphasis on Fi and feelings in general to manipulate people or hide the truth. In other words we are constantly dealing "with who believes in what and why does he/she believe in that". While on the other hand everybody in politics seems to be running from the fact that the system can objectively judged and that the actually efficiency can be measured. Maybe in other countries political campaigns are much diferent. But form what I have seen in mine did not impress me at all. (if we dont count the amount of stupidity)


    So here are some stereotipical examples about what we are talking about here


    Jurnalist: the elections are comming and people got the impression that the size of public sector is out of control. Do you have a number of how may people work in a states administration ? (what is a top job here)
    Prime Minister: To be honest this goverment haven't studied how much employees we actually have since we believe that everyone capable has a right to work in the adminitration. (smile)


    While in fact the countries economy is destroyed and now they are giving jobs to their party members. Even if they have to fund that from large rise of debt, while there is less and less of real economy in the country. However this is not the impression you would get from the idealistic smile of the person.


    Candidate: If you vote for me I will do everything it takes to create maximal freedom possible and make sure that communists stay away from decision making.


    What would technically be ok in the case that the person is not from a political party that is a direct successor of the communist party. As a matter of fact the founding father was a general back in Communism. What opens the question "Why have you been that close to him and you have his pictures on your wall ? "


    Also political ideologies always think that there is a perfect and ultimate solution. While in fact they dont see that each part of the world has it own climate and ratio of natural resources on their diposal. It simply is not the same if your main resource is soil, ore , or oil. Since this resources will in fact dictate most of the things even if no one wants to admit that. Plus not everyone has a same amout of resources or same concentration of resources in the landscape. So if you have little resources you automatically have to build more socialitic governing because otherwise resources distribution will lead to civil war. (no matter how much law enforcement you have)
    However it seems that you can't explain this to some people. They they just go copy-paste.


    The modern politics goes by logic "In what do you believe in ? I am sure we can help you, we can do anything". So people end up voting for things that are not possible. Some times the laws of physics and geology are againt it and sometimes it is politically impossble. For example the presidential candidates are promising something they can't do simply because the position does not have the authority to do that. (while their political opposition has a complete hold over the parliament, what makes law changes impossible)
    So one of those candidates got the position but nothing happened and promises were broken, and to be honest I think that you dont have to be a genious to see the outcome.
    But if you rise the tendencies to the level when feelings get turned on it is much easier to outmanoeuvre the public. (And that is exactly what I see around me since I was a child regargless of which political party we are talking about)


    That would be my answer in short.

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    ^ Unfortunately, you've made the false assumption that Fi-users are too thick to know the difference between BS and truth. You also assume that decisions based on Fi are inherently irrational and unrealistic, which is also false. Objective reasoning is no more or less fallible than subjective reasoning. Objective reasoning cannot for instance, predict if a politician will actually do a good job when they are elected when there are no definitive clues in their track record - nor can it determine when someone is lying if there aren't facts to prove it. But you might actually find a XXFP may be far better at judging this, using the very reasoning you have so little faith in.
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    Free / Balance

    You scored 50% growing, 50% insuring, and 55% reducing!

    Piaget believed that errors are far more interesting and instructive than correct answers. This model is a work in progress; please help improve it by providing feedback!

    Your Results

    Fair is equality of power, responsibility, and opportunity, while also balancing equality of distribution and needs, on the one hand, and rules, rights, hard work, keeping agreements, and leadership, on the other.

    You might or might not identify as a libertarian.

    You probably believe that sometimes people's circumstances are within their own control, and sometimes not.

    A society where citizens are self-disciplined, self-reliant, and balance their own needs and the creation of community, might appeal to you.

    You might be resigned to an unconstrained society, with initiative in the marketplace, and both worry that there is little you can do to control your situation and worry about economic and foreign threats, while also being concerned that we are ignoring risks that we should be working to prevent, and that social changes may disrupt society.

    You might feel there is little we can or should do to effect the environment, believing that nature is both resilient and random, tolerant yet fragile.

    You might fall in the center of Dr. Paul Ray's New Political Compass, and may also identify as a Cultural Creative. On the World's Smallest Political Quiz, you'd probably fall in the Centrist diamond.

    If someone were to criticize you in a political debate, they'd probably accuse you of being soft or naive. On the other hand, it's possible that you've accused someone (holding political opinions different from your own) of being close-minded.

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    You scored 70% growing, 30% insuring, and 47% reducing!

    Piaget believed that errors are far more interesting and instructive than correct answers. This model is a work in progress; please help improve it by providing feedback!

    Your Results

    Fair is following the rules, getting what you work for, what you agree to, and what you have a right to, and recognizing ability, while also taking into consideration equality of opportunity, responsibility, and power.

    You might prefer that government policy reinforce conventional values.

    You would probably agree with the statement that "People Make the World". In other words, that people's circumstances are usually within their control.

    A traditional society, where government supports and protects, sets policy and rules of behavior, where the leader's role is to keep infrastructure, look after the citizenry, and uphold authority, and where citizens respect and obey their leaders--what George Lakoff calls the "Strict Father" model of government--might appeal to you.

    You might favor well-defined roles, a well-defined system of rules, and worry that social deviance will disrupt those rules, while also being concerned about economic and foreign threats.

    You might rely on experts to establish rules and keep society in proper bounds, believing that nature is both perverse and resilient, such that it can be exploited up to a point, but not beyond.

    You might fall in the South-Easterly direction on Dr. Paul Ray's New Political Compass, and probably fall in the Right-wing (Conservative) quadrant of the World's Smallest Political Quiz.

    If someone were to criticize you in a political debate, they'd might accuse you of not caring about people. On the other hand, it's possible that you've accused someone (holding political opinions different from your own) of either being soft or corrupt.
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    to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
    and begin slitting throats.
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    Makes sense, considering I think the benevolent dictatorship is ideal. Unrealistic, but ideal. No idea what reducing means though.

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    Piaget believed that errors are far more interesting and instructive than correct answers. This model is a work in progress; please help improve it by providing feedback!

    Your Results

    Fair is following the rules, getting what you work for, what you agree to, and what you have a right to, and recognizing ability, while also taking into consideration equality of opportunity, responsibility, and power.

    You might prefer that government policy reinforce conventional values.

    You would probably agree with the statement that "People Make the World". In other words, that people's circumstances are usually within their control.

    A traditional society, where government supports and protects, sets policy and rules of behavior, where the leader's role is to keep infrastructure, look after the citizenry, and uphold authority, and where citizens respect and obey their leaders--what George Lakoff calls the "Strict Father" model of government--might appeal to you.

    You might favor well-defined roles, a well-defined system of rules, and worry that social deviance will disrupt those rules, while also being concerned about economic and foreign threats.

    You might rely on experts to establish rules and keep society in proper bounds, believing that nature is both perverse and resilient, such that it can be exploited up to a point, but not beyond.

    You might fall in the South-Easterly direction on Dr. Paul Ray's New Political Compass, and probably fall in the Right-wing (Conservative) quadrant of the World's Smallest Political Quiz.

    If someone were to criticize you in a political debate, they'd might accuse you of not caring about people. On the other hand, it's possible that you've accused someone (holding political opinions different from your own) of either being soft or corrupt.

    Here are all twelve possible results for the test:



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