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Old 03-27-2008, 10:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about this more (and I still find it's weird that most of the NFs are significantly worse at this than the NTs - I'm pretty sure that I'm worse than average at reading body language IRL).

I think the videos were collected by showing half of those people something funny (without them being told what this was for, and then getting their permission retrospectively to use the video for this test) without being told in advance what was about to happen. I think the fake smilers were just told to do a fake smile.

And I think this is why I could pick who was going to do the fake smile or the genuine smile before I hit the play button. (and I used the crinkle eyes = genuine to confirm my guess - I changed one or two of my original guesses on the basis of this)

Does this sound plausible?
I noticed the same thing about the NT vs. NF. Here's another hypothesis: Perhaps NT's more often find themselves required to fake a smile in society, so that that the distinction is intuitively clearer since they experience both genuine and fake smiling on a regular basis?
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Old 03-27-2008, 10:40 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I noticed the same thing about the NT vs. NF. Here's another hypothesis: Perhaps NT's more often find themselves required to fake a smile in society, so that that the distinction is intuitively clearer since they experience both genuine and fake smiling on a regular basis?
That could be true for me, yes. Curious to hear what the NFs say.

Somebody was asking how I could tell which was the fake smile/genuine smile before the video even started. As far as I can tell, I think it was whether it felt like I'd like them IRL or not. I have a strong dislike of insincerity and kinda used that to tune into whether it was genuine or fake. Which makes me something of a hypocrite since yeah, I do the fake smile thing quite a bit.
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I read some responses and took it again and did better (not a relevant score at this point). I based my responses on how stiff the face looked. It felt prejudicial of me because there are so many people who have stiff mannerism like that who aren't fake and so many who communicate with a nuanced warmth who are downright fakes. Stiff smiles like that can be genuine, but reveal a feeling of shyness or embarrassment. It almost looks introverted vs. extroverted in facial expression to me, rather than fake or genuine. Weird and mildly disturbing.
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Old 03-27-2008, 11:47 AM   #34 (permalink)
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17 out of 20

But I have certain issues with the test in general.

And, yes, as mentioned earlier, I also know about the Duchenne smile.
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Old 03-27-2008, 01:25 PM   #35 (permalink)
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13/20.

how did they get those people to smile "genuinely"? maybe they were just smiling out of nervousness...
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That could be true for me, yes. Curious to hear what the NFs say.
As an NF, I think I got 17/20 because being able to differentiate between and among differing authentic and inauthentic emotional expressions was a survival skill when I was a child. I grew up in an environment where a mis-read of those expressions could lead to punitive invalidations and physical violence.


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17 out of 20.
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