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    Yeah, I can fly. Aleksei's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sherlock Holmes View Post
    Then what aspect is it that makes MOST STJs be considered "By the book" people?
    Three possible reasons. One, older STJs tend to be "by the book" people because the proverbial "book" was the only source of information they had growing up. Nowadays, there is a whole array of different sources of information that Si can draw from, not all of them supportive of a traditional approach. Two, rules often actually have practical value. I'm a supporter of traditional values myself, because traditional values tend to foster a sense of community (necessary -- man is a social animal) and control irresponsible and potentially destructive (to self or others) behavior. But I don't apply said values to myself (rules are for the little people). Three (more relevant in the case of ISTJs), Si plus lower Fi can romanticize rules. This is especially prominent when tied with reason one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sherlock Holmes View Post
    My thinking was that the evidence was often in people around them. They see that the majority of people they know think a certain way, and their Te tells them that since this is statistically more common, it is statistically more likely to be correct.
    This is a more Fe-driven thinking attitude (since everyone thinks a certain way they must be right). STJs can think that way, and often do, but only because they're stupid rather than because they're Te. Smart Te users can easily tell apart bad information from good information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Fe makes judgments based on societal norms.
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    Enlighten us Gavroche. What do you think Fe is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    Actually looking at my results now... I scored 100% on all the introverted functions and 0% on all the extraverted ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Fe makes judgments based on societal norms.
    Fe makes judgements on societal ethical norms and follows up on said unverified judgements. Having Fe doesn't mean 'knowing' societal norms, just judging the norm and judging based on unverified judgement.

    'Knowing' relies on development and development relates to function hierarchy.

    The 'key' to understanding Je is collectivity, otherwise known as 'norms'. The difference of T and F is a different matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Enlighten us Gavroche. What do you think Fe is?
    To judge things quicky, to assertively take care of things in accordance with your feelings. And also to care about the opinion of others to manage harmony. But Fi users are concerned with harmony and caring too. The main difference is that Fi users prefer to not take decisions too quickly and keep
    options opened, take the time to get more informations from the external world. Fe users are not more concerned with societal norms than you and me. SFJs are because of Si, they prefer to do "normal things" to achieve their goals. Fe is not less authentic than Fi. Fe users are not more agree with societal norm than Fi users.

    My parents could be good examples. My father is an ENFJ, my mother is INFP. And they share globally the same opinions wich are conform with the mainstream opinions, for the most part. They both take pride to not be dependent of the societal norms, the differences is trhat my father is gragarious and planner, and my mother is loner and random. But that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    To judge things quicky, to assertively take care of things in accordance with your feelings.
    Now let's see a source for that.
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    Just ask to Fe users. Or observe how they behave. Fe users don't judge thing based on societal norms more than Fi users. For example, statistics show that INFx are the two types who vote the most for democrats. Because they believe in that societal norm, or myth, who explain that Democrat Party work for the poors. One type use Fe, the other use Fi, proof that Fe don't make you more take decisions based on societal norms than Fi.
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    You scored 0% on Te, higher than 37% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Ti, higher than 63% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Fe, higher than 79% of your peers.

    You scored 0% on Fi, higher than 21% of your peers.

    You scored 0% on Se, higher than 30% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Si, higher than 71% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Ne, higher than 81% of your peers.

    You scored 0% on Ni, higher than 19% of your peers.

    You scored 0% on Thinking, higher than 30% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Feeling, higher than 71% of your peers.

    You scored 0% on Sensing, higher than 41% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Intuitive, higher than 60% of your peers.

    You scored 100% on Judging, higher than 72% of your peers.

    You scored 0% on Perceiving, higher than 28% of your peers.


    There are logical inconsistencies with this test.

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    Do you take decisions based on societal norms?
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    "I don't believe in guilt, I only believe in living on impulses"

    "Stereotypes about personality and gender turn out to be fairly accurate: ... On the binary Myers-Briggs measure, the thinking-feeling breakdown is about 30/70 for women versus 60/40 for men." ~ Bryan Caplan

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