Who you are VS who you'd like to be

[Kullervo]

Ideal you: ENTJ
Real you: INTJ

I am happy with most aspects of my personality, I just want to be less shy and anxious around other people.

 

[á´…eparted]

Are you someone, if you are a world class doctor ?

I don't understand your question, and it gets away from the main point of this. What I am trying to say is absolutely everyone should try and be who they want to be, but recognize when they get away from the core of who they are and are outside of the realm of who they can be. This goes for external things, and internal personalites.

 

[entropie]

I don't understand your question.

Then take your time and think about it. And call me back, when you found out what I am saying.

 

[Forever_Jung]

I don't understand your question, and it gets away from the main point of this. What I am trying to say is absolutely everyone should try and be who they want to be, but recognize when they get away from the core of who they are and are outside of the realm of who they can be. This goes for external things, and internal personalites.

He's saying things like careers and titles don't define a person, so it's not really a limitation on who you are....maybe.

 

[á´…eparted]

He's saying things like careers and titles don't define a person, so it's not really a limitation on who you are....maybe.

That's fair, but as I said elsewhere in the reply, there are still limits beyond that. I've tried to push myself around in multiple ways to be who I ideally want to be, and while I have come a long way there is only so much that I can do. One of the biggest is finding ways to be detailed oriented and consistent with it. I've tried, and have come along way, but I have to accept that I can only go so far with it, there is a limit.

 

[entropie]

That's fair, but as I said elsewhere in the reply, there are still limits beyond that. I've tried to push myself around in multiple ways to be who I ideally want to be, and while I have come a long way there is only so much that I can do. One of the biggest is finding ways to be detailed oriented and consistent with it. I've tried, and have come along way, but I have to accept that I can only go so far with it, there is a limit.

Your limit, there is noone else who can put a limit onto yourself except for you.

You think that the person you are needs fixing and isnt loveable this way and thats why you will never be happy in life.

 

[á´…eparted]

Your limit, there is noone else who can put a limit onto yourself except for you.

You think that the person you are needs fixing and isnt loveable this way and thats why you will never be happy in life.

Not all of my limits are self imposed. What you're saying is that anyone can be who they want if they just try. They should, because that's how you better as a person. However the idea that everyone will actually get there just makes the idea of personality completely moot then, which is why I contest it.

That, and the psychoanalysis really is not needed here (nor is it right).

 

[Forever_Jung]

That's fair, but as I said elsewhere in the reply, there are still limits beyond that. I've tried to push myself around in multiple ways to be who I ideally want to be, and while I have come a long way there is only so much that I can do. One of the biggest is finding ways to be detailed oriented and consistent with it. I've tried, and have come along way, but I have to accept that I can only go so far with it, there is a limit.

You think you are your ego, that's where the misunderstanding is happening. On a Jungian psychology forum, of all places! Anyway, I should just mind my own business.

 

[entropie]

Not all of my limits are self imposed. What you're saying is that anyone can be who they want if they just try. They should, because that's how you better as a person. However the idea that everyone will actually get there just makes the idea of personality completely moot then, which is why I contest it.

That, and the psychoanalysis really is not needed here (nor is it right).

Your choice

 

[á´…eparted]

You think you are your ego, that's where the misunderstanding is happening. On a Jungian psychology forum, of all places! Anyway, I should just mind my own business.

Ok I honestly don't understand then. Maybe I am not clear on what limit means in this context?

 

[entropie]

Ok I honestly don't understand then. Maybe I am not clear on what limit means in this context?

Who are you ?

 

[johnnyyukon]

JOHNNY:

ideal you ||||||
real you ||||||


Introversion
|||| 13%
|||||| 26%

Extroversion
|||||||||||||||||| 80%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%

Intuitive
|||||||||||||| 56%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%

Sensing
|||||||||||||||| 70%
|||||||||||||| 60%

Feeling
|||||||||| 40%
|||||||||| 33%

Thinking
|||||||||||||||||||| 86%
|||||||||||||||||||| 90%

Judging
|||||||||||||||| 66%
|||||||||||| 43%

Perceiving
|||||||||||||| 53%
|||||||||||||||||| 76%


ideal type - ESTJ, real type - ENTP




type ideal real type behavior
I -11 -7 quiet, private, few friends
E 9 7 outgoing, expressive, many friends
N 2 7 random, mysterious, non linear
S 6 3 sequential, factual, practical
F -3 -5 emotional, passionate, selfless
T 11 12 willful, stoic, self reliant
J 5 -2 planned, regimented, orderly
P 1 8 spontaneous, playful, fun

 

[entropie]

JOHNNY:

ideal you ||||||
real you ||||||


Introversion
|||| 13%
|||||| 26%

Extroversion
|||||||||||||||||| 80%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%

Intuitive
|||||||||||||| 56%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%

Sensing
|||||||||||||||| 70%
|||||||||||||| 60%

Feeling
|||||||||| 40%
|||||||||| 33%

Thinking
|||||||||||||||||||| 86%
|||||||||||||||||||| 90%

Judging
|||||||||||||||| 66%
|||||||||||| 43%

Perceiving
|||||||||||||| 53%
|||||||||||||||||| 76%


ideal type - ESTJ, real type - ENTP




type ideal real type behavior
I -11 -7 quiet, private, few friends
E 9 7 outgoing, expressive, many friends
N 2 7 random, mysterious, non linear
S 6 3 sequential, factual, practical
F -3 -5 emotional, passionate, selfless
T 11 12 willful, stoic, self reliant
J 5 -2 planned, regimented, orderly
P 1 8 spontaneous, playful, fun

I'd go with one percent more on judging, you never cant be prepared enough !

 

[entropie]

Oh good what a long test and you always have to click everything twice. This needs a makeup...

ideal you |||||| real you ||||||
Introversion
|||||||||| 33%
|||||||||| 33%
Extroversion
|||||||||||||||||| 73%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%
Intuitive
|||||||||||||||| 70%
|||||||||||||||| 70%
Sensing
|||||||||||||| 56%
|||||||||||||| 56%
Feeling
|||||||||||||||| 63%
|||||||||||||||| 63%
Thinking
|||||||||||||| 60%
|||||||||||||| 60%
Judging
|||||||||||||| 60%
|||||||||||||| 60%
Perceiving
|||||||||||||||||| 76%
|||||||||||||||||| 76%
ideal type - ENFP, real type - ENFP


type ideal real type behavior
I -5 -5 quiet, private, few friends
E 7 7 outgoing, expressive, many friends
N 6 6 random, mysterious, non linear
S 2 2 sequential, factual, practical
F 4 4 emotional, passionate, selfless
T 3 3 willful, stoic, self reliant
J 3 3 planned, regimented, orderly
P 8 8 spontaneous, playful, fun

 

[OptoGypsy]

ideal you |||||| real you ||||||
Introversion |||||||||| 40%
|||||||||||||| 53%
Extroversion |||||||||||||| 56%
|||||||||||||| 56%
Intuitive |||||||||||||||||| 73%
|||||||||||||||||| 76%
Sensing |||||||||||||| 56%
|||||||||||| 50%
Feeling |||||||||| 36%
|||||||||||| 43%
Thinking |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
|||||||||||||||| 63%
Judging |||||||||||||||||| 73%
|||||||||| 40%
Perceiving |||||||||||| 50%
|||||||||||||||| 63%
ideal type - ENTJ, real type - ENTP

 

[skylights]

Ideal ESTJ, real INFP. No surprise... Want more balance...

 

[OptoGypsy]

ideal you |||||| real you ||||||
Introversion |||||||||||||| 56%
|||||||||||| 50%
Extroversion |||||||||||||||||| 73%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%
Intuitive |||||||||||||||||| 76%
|||||||||||||||||| 80%
Sensing |||||||||||||||||| 73%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%
Feeling |||||||||| 40%
|||||||||| 33%
Thinking |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
|||||||||||||||||| 73%
Judging |||||||||||||||||| 76%
|||||||||||| 46%
Perceiving |||||||||||||||| 63%
|||||||||||||||| 63%
ideal type - ENTJ, real type - ENTP

 

[Avocado]

Real: ENFP
Ideal: ESTJ

 

[Little_Sticks]

Why not trieing who you want to be ? The only one who stops you, is you yourself

Sometimes the smartest thing one can do is to hide.
Someone may not know themselves enough to know how to be what they want.
Other times, one may have too many inhibitions to be the way they want to be; an introvert, by concept of looking inward, considers a bit more than an extrovert and tends to see more problems whereas the extrovert runs past them, ignoring them as they create them, dealing with them only if forced.
And in some cases, one may not have a natural proclivity to be who they want - admiration, without emulation.
etc.

The complications are interesting.

 

[entropie]

Sometimes the smartest thing one can do is to hide.
Someone may not know themselves enough to know how to be what they want.
Other times, one may have too many inhibitions to be the way they want to be; an introvert, by concept of looking inward, considers a bit more than an extrovert and tends to see more problems whereas the extrovert runs past them, ignoring them as they create them, dealing with them only if forced.
And in some cases, one may not have a natural proclivity to be who they want - admiration, without emulation.
etc.

The complications are interesting.

No thats always the worst thing to do. Extroverts aint the one to blame, the only difference between extroverts and introverts is that one does need more recognition. And recognition needs everyone, doesnt matter how it looks like. If I were to run pasts inward problems, I would never talk to you.

The one and only problem is the fear to show yourself. Because everyone who doesnt fit societal intelligence thinks, he is doing something wrong. And thinking so is wrong. Everybody on this world is unique, this is a logical consequence noone can do something about.

Goethe, a german lyric once said: the individual is a poet, but the herd is dumb like a cow. And he was right.

There are two crucial things one needs to learn, to lead a happy life:

A) Be who you are, dont be afraid. The more you are yourself, the more hits and blows you will receive, actually life is way more tougher for someone who does not hide.
B) Accept that others do want to be themselves as well, despite how shallow it might be.

If you wont accept others and yourself, life will be really complicated. But if you do, it will be your playground and you will be the Queen