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Mindframes

KDude

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I didn't see all the secondary factors before

SENSITIVITY Thought Very often (Lead mindframe)
INSIGHT Thought Often

LOGIC Thought Seldom
ORDER Thought Seldom
CONTROL Action Seldom
SOCIABILITY Action Rarely
CHARISMA Action Rarely
PROACTIVITY Action Rarely
 

InsatiableCuriosity

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Joined
May 20, 2010
Messages
698
MBTI Type
INTP
Enneagram
5
INSIGHT Thought Very often (Lead mindframe)
LOGIC Thought Very often

CHARISMA Action Often
PROACTIVITY Action Often
CONTROL Action Sometimes
SENSITIVITY Thought Seldom
ORDER Thought Rarely
SOCIABILITY Action Rarely

Interesting as an xNTP:

The graphic above illustrates that INSIGHT takes place primarily in the RIGHT-FRONT region of the cerebral cortex. The cortex is where conscious thought takes place. The RIGHT side associates images by feel, which gives personal significance to memories. So thinking on the right side is nonverbal, instinctive and subjective The FRONT part of the right brain takes perceptions from the back part—sights, sounds, and body sensations—and relates them based on how you feel about them.

For instance, you may notice a friend's posture and tone of voice, along with the fact that she's under a lot of stress. Without consciously trying to do so, you remember these three perceptions—the posture, the tone, and the stressful situation—as a single pattern. Later, experiencing any one of these images may trigger a meaningful association with the other two. This is how insight tells you when something important is going on.

INSIGHT is the mindframe of imagination. It enables you to:

* Read nonverbal "body language"
* Interpret someone's moods
* Be aware of a person's individual traits
* Have empathy for another person's situation
* Understand the characteristics of a human relationship
* Appreciate the merits of a work of art
* Associate one image with another
* Think of a new solution
* Visualize a possible future scenario
* Know whether an action is ethically correct
* Sense the personal significance of something
* Feel a hunch that something is true, even without evidence
* Hear "alarm bells" of high risk or danger
* Form and use beliefs to make decisions
* Consider some things to be more important than others
* Make a personal commitment

INSIGHT isn't some kind of psychic power. It's simply the ability to "connect the dots" all at once by seeing the pattern. You get a feel for how the world works based on observation. You see a woman smile, and you know she doesn't mean it. How? Instead of careful step-by-step reasoning to reach that conclusion, you instantly recognize the special cues you've learned to associate with insincerity. This intuition only seems mysterious because it happens so fast.

INSIGHT answers questions of personal significance: "Is this right?" "Is it fair?" and "How important is this?" It uses the patterns drawn from past experience to assess the meaning of what's happening right now. You form beliefs that "feel right." You hold them as long as they continue to work for you.
For instance, if you've learned to recognize the signals, you may be able to tell when a person is lying.

INSIGHT is a key mindframe for artists, designers, composers, performers, authors, architects, theologians and counselors. The ability to associate is also crucial to putting together a story, a poem, a song or a drawing. It lets you enjoy, appreciate and interpret works of art. When you connect the physical details of your experience, you discover their meaning. You see patterns and sense significance. The wisdom you gain, such as your understanding of people, isn't easily explained by logic.

These examples show how the insightful part of your mind does its work: intuiting, valuing and imagining. How much does the INSIGHT mindframe influence your thinking?
 

OrangeAppled

Sugar Hiccup
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Messages
7,626
MBTI Type
INFP
Enneagram
4w5
Instinctual Variant
sp/sx
Sounds pretty FiNe to me :cheese:

Lead: INSIGHT
A mindframe of: Thought
Used: Very often (more than 80% of the time)

SENSITIVITY Thought Sometimes
LOGIC Thought Sometimes
CHARISMA Action Seldom
PROACTIVITY Action Rarely
SOCIABILITY Action Rarely
CONTROL Action Rarely
ORDER Thought Rarely

The graphic above illustrates that INSIGHT takes place primarily in the RIGHT-FRONT region of the cerebral cortex. The cortex is where conscious thought takes place. The RIGHT side associates images by feel, which gives personal significance to memories. So thinking on the right side is nonverbal, instinctive and subjective The FRONT part of the right brain takes perceptions from the back part—sights, sounds, and body sensations—and relates them based on how you feel about them.

For instance, you may notice a friend's posture and tone of voice, along with the fact that she's under a lot of stress. Without consciously trying to do so, you remember these three perceptions—the posture, the tone, and the stressful situation—as a single pattern. Later, experiencing any one of these images may trigger a meaningful association with the other two. This is how insight tells you when something important is going on.

INSIGHT is the mindframe of imagination. It enables you to:

* Read nonverbal "body language"
* Interpret someone's moods
* Be aware of a person's individual traits
* Have empathy for another person's situation
* Understand the characteristics of a human relationship
* Appreciate the merits of a work of art
* Associate one image with another
* Think of a new solution
* Visualize a possible future scenario
* Know whether an action is ethically correct
* Sense the personal significance of something
* Feel a hunch that something is true, even without evidence
* Hear "alarm bells" of high risk or danger
* Form and use beliefs to make decisions
* Consider some things to be more important than others
* Make a personal commitment

INSIGHT isn't some kind of psychic power. It's simply the ability to "connect the dots" all at once by seeing the pattern. You get a feel for how the world works based on observation. You see a woman smile, and you know she doesn't mean it. How? Instead of careful step-by-step reasoning to reach that conclusion, you instantly recognize the special cues you've learned to associate with insincerity. This intuition only seems mysterious because it happens so fast.

INSIGHT answers questions of personal significance: "Is this right?" "Is it fair?" and "How important is this?" It uses the patterns drawn from past experience to assess the meaning of what's happening right now. You form beliefs that "feel right." You hold them as long as they continue to work for you. For instance, if you've learned to recognize the signals, you may be able to tell when a person is lying.

INSIGHT is a key mindframe for artists, designers, composers, performers, authors, architects, theologians and counselors. The ability to associate is also crucial to putting together a story, a poem, a song or a drawing. It lets you enjoy, appreciate and interpret works of art. When you connect the physical details of your experience, you discover their meaning. You see patterns and sense significance. The wisdom you gain, such as your understanding of people, isn't easily explained by logic.

These examples show how the insightful part of your mind does its work: intuiting, valuing and imagining. How much does the INSIGHT mindframe influence your thinking?
 

teacups&cupcakes

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Dec 21, 2009
Messages
25
MBTI Type
INFP
Enneagram
abcd
INSIGHT (Thought)- Very often (Lead mindframe)
SENSITIVITY (Thought)- Very often
LOGIC- (Thought) Very often

CHARISMA (Action)- Sometimes
SOCIABILITY (Action)- Seldom
PROACTIVITY (Action)- Seldom
ORDER (Thought)- Seldom
CONTROL (Action)- Rarely

Cool.
 

Walking Tourist

it's tea time!
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Messages
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MBTI Type
esfp
Enneagram
7
SOCIABILITY Action Very often (Lead mindframe)

SENSITIVITY Thought Often

INSIGHT Thought Often
 

Aleksei

Yeah, I can fly.
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Mar 10, 2010
Messages
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MBTI Type
ENTJ
Enneagram
7w6
Instinctual Variant
sx/sp
Mindframe… A mindframe of… Frequency of use…

LOGIC Thought Very often (Lead mindframe)

SOCIABILITY Action Often

SENSITIVITY Thought Often

CHARISMA Action Often
 

valentine

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May 29, 2009
Messages
106
MBTI Type
intj
Enneagram
5w4
Instinctual Variant
so/sp
Mindframe... A mindframe of... Frequency of use...
LOGIC/ INSIGHT Thought/ Thought Very often (Lead mindframe) /Often
 

Lady_X

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Oct 27, 2008
Messages
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MBTI Type
ENFP
Enneagram
784
Instinctual Variant
sx/sp
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Salomé

meh
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Messages
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MBTI Type
INTP
Enneagram
5w4
Instinctual Variant
sx/sp
Logic (Lead)
Insight
Rest are Rarelys. :sadbanana:

I am Ti's bitch it seems, with an Ne sidekick.
 

Sesshoumaru

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MBTI Type
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5w4
I am not sure. They only have 8 actual descriptions (one for each mindframe). The seeming variety comes from further analysis of the order of mindframes.

So the seemingly more accurate description may simply be an artifact of there being an ordering of 8 things giving you a further analysis.

There are 8!=40320 ways to order 8 things. Even more if you consider ties.

You have a similar thing in the eight descriptions of cognitive functions, and an ordering of their strengths (with no limits on the ordering).

I didn't find "LOGICAL" to be more accurate of me than "Ti" (nor less) .

If you believe their claims, the cool thing is that the mindframes correspond to sections of the brain. I know Lenore Thompson proposed something similar for the cognitive functions, but it seemed to be completely baseless.
Well, in fact, there are way more ways, once you download the specialized analysis (I think there's one coupon they give you for a free special analysis, which is the "revelations"). It gives you a percentage-detailed profile, and some other facts from it, and it sure told me way more than what mbti did. And the ways are now 100^8 (note the order is not important now, because the data should be organized by the program with any of the possibilities). As for the Lenore Thompson theory, I agree completely, it's baseless.
 

INA

now! in shell form
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MBTI Type
intp
LOGIC Thought Very often (Lead mindframe)

INSIGHT Thought Often

PROACTIVITY Action Sometimes

the rest is a mix of seldom and rarely.
 

lucibelle

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MBTI Type
I__P
Enneagram
4
Instinctual Variant
sp
Mindframe… - A mindframe of… - Frequency of use…

LOGIC - Thought - Very often (Lead mindframe)

INSIGHT - Thought - Often

PROACTIVITY - Action - Sometimes

SENSITIVITY - Thought - Seldom

CHARISMA - Action - Seldom

CONTROL - Action - Rarely

ORDER - Thought - Rarely

SOCIABILITY - Action - Rarely
 

Such Irony

Honor Thy Inferior
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Messages
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MBTI Type
INtp
Enneagram
5w6
Instinctual Variant
sp/so
LOGIC Thought Very Often

INSIGHT Thought Sometimes

SENSITIVITY Thought Seldom

PROACTIVITY Action Seldom

CHARISMA Action Rarely

CONTROL Action Rarely

ORDER Thought Rarely

SOCIABILITY Action Rarely
 

redsox44344

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Messages
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MBTI Type
ENTP
LOGIC Thought Very Often

PROACTIVITY Action Sometimes

INSIGHT Thought Sometimes

CONTROL Action Seldom

CHARISMA Action Rarely

SOCIABILITY Action Rarely

SENSITIVITY Thought Rarely

ORDER Thought Rarely
 

nolla

Senor Membrane
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Messages
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MBTI Type
INFP
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SENSITIVITY Very often (Lead mindframe)

INSIGHT Very often

LOGIC Often

CHARISMA Often

SOCIABILITY Sometimes

PROACTIVITY Seldom

CONTROL Rarely

ORDER Rarely
 

Jaguar

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Messages
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Insight 100
Charisma 88

Proactivity 80
Logic 78
Sociability 78
Sensitivity 76
Control 70

Order 54

INSIGHT is the mindframe of imagination. It enables you to:

* Read nonverbal "body language"
* Interpret someone's moods
* Be aware of a person's individual traits
* Have empathy for another person's situation
* Understand the characteristics of a human relationship
* Appreciate the merits of a work of art
* Associate one image with another
* Think of a new solution
* Visualize a possible future scenario
* Know whether an action is ethically correct
* Sense the personal significance of something
* Feel a hunch that something is true, even without evidence
* Hear "alarm bells" of high risk or danger
* Form and use beliefs to make decisions
* Consider some things to be more important than others
* Make a personal commitment

INSIGHT isn't some kind of psychic power. It's simply the ability to "connect the dots" all at once by seeing the pattern. You get a feel for how the world works based on observation. You see a woman smile, and you know she doesn't mean it. How? Instead of careful step-by-step reasoning to reach that conclusion, you instantly recognize the special cues you've learned to associate with insincerity. This intuition only seems mysterious because it happens so fast.

INSIGHT answers questions of personal significance: "Is this right?" "Is it fair?" and "How important is this?" It uses the patterns drawn from past experience to assess the meaning of what's happening right now. You form beliefs that "feel right." You hold them as long as they continue to work for you. For instance, if you've learned to recognize the signals, you may be able to tell when a person is lying.

INSIGHT is a key mindframe for artists, designers, composers, performers, authors, architects, theologians and counselors. The ability to associate is also crucial to putting together a story, a poem, a song or a drawing. It lets you enjoy, appreciate and interpret works of art. When you connect the physical details of your experience, you discover their meaning. You see patterns and sense significance. The wisdom you gain, such as your understanding of people, isn't easily explained by logic.

CHARISMA is the mindframe of influence. It enables you to:

* Participate in discussions about ethical or moral issues
* Advise, coach or counsel others when they have problems
* Encourage others to do their best
* Ask questions to find out what a person wants or needs
* Persuade someone to make a commitment
* Show a high level of energy when doing things important to you
* Help resolve a conflict between two individuals
* Explain the benefits of following your suggestions and recommendations
* Collaborate with others to pursue a worthy cause
* Facilitate a discussion group
* Brainstorm new ideas with other people
* Express your values and beliefs
* Describe your vision with passion and charisma
* Present motivational or inspirational talks
* Use facial expressions and gestures to convey your heart-felt emotions
* Talk about your ideals with flair and conviction

The dictionary describes CHARISMA as "personal magnetism or charm" and the quality—especially in leaders—"to arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm." Through CHARISMA, you use dramatic expressiveness to share your wisdom and declare your beliefs, values and ideals. You tell people what's possible. Your message touches their hearts as well as their minds.

We all use CHARISMA, especially when we want to influence people. You let them know how you feel with your words and your whole being. When you talk, your arms and hands move. Your tone of voice and facial expressions convey honest emotion, and people respond to you with similar emotions. Your lyrics are accompanied by music, so to speak. You're engaging and entertaining. Your enthusiasm is contagious. People identify with your commitment, and they feel inspired to go along.

In a sales role, you have to hold the buyer's interest and spark his enthusiasm. To be convincing as a coach, your team members need to know you mean what you say. All sorts of people lead by getting others to care about where they're going: negotiators, politicians, clergymen, public speakers, broadcasters, actors and performance artists in general. Your passion and imagination can stimulate the passion and imagination of others.
 

Noon

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SENSITIVITY (Lead mindframe)
Sometimes: Order, Logic, Insight, Sociability, Charisma
Seldom: Control, Proactivity

Your way of learning is to focus on “perception” information two ways—SENSITIVITY and ORDER—before you get interested in “meaning” information, using LOGIC. So while you’re likely to focus often on practical, experience-based, here-and-now details, you may not pay much attention to analysis, explanations, ideas and projections.

Your way of problem solving is to rely first on one feel-based mindframe—SENSITIVITY—before you engage a reason-based mindframe, using ORDER, which is not in your comfort zone. So while you’ll initially use instincts, intuition and hunches, you may not always balance this way of thinking with a structured, calculated approach to dealing with problems.

Your way of making decisions is to be deliberate. That means you usually prefer to study a situation before doing something. You’ll tend to think about what to do four ways—SENSITIVITY, ORDER, LOGIC and INSIGHT—before you do anything using the SOCIABILITY mindframe. In other words, you may not move to action in a timely manner.
 

Zarathustra

Let Go Of Your Team
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Sesh: I'd say it's one more framework to consider.

MBTI can be a useful framework, but it's not perfect.

Enneagram can be a useful framework, but it's not perfect.

Same probably goes for this one (as for all theories, really).

That being said: without having taken the test, I know my top will come out "insight", which seems to somewhat correlate with Nness...

"Logic" seems to correlate rather highly with Ti (at least in the lead).

And I also hypothesized that "Order" would correlate with Si (at least in the lead), and it did (admittedly, with a very low sample size).

"Control" also seems to correlate with Si, as well possibly with Fe.

Fe also may correlate (possibly via subsets) with "Charisma", "Sociability" and/or "Proactivity".

Seems like MBTI might be seen as "coming before" the qualities measured by this test.

I dunno, that's just my immediate read; I'm on my phone, so I'll check back on it later, and give my thoughts.

Thanks for finding this, though; it seems interesting.
 
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