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    Ok, just read their descriptions.

    If you had to reconcile the two frameworks (which, obviously, you don't), I think you'd have to say that the Mindframe system's four "thinking" mindframes correlate to MBTI's "introverted" functions, and that Mindframe's four "action" mindframes correlate to MBTI's four "extroverted" functions.

    Mindframe :: MBTI
    Proactivity :: Te
    Logic :: Ti
    Charisma :: Ne
    Insight :: Ni
    Control :: Se
    Order :: Si
    Sociability :: Fe
    Sensitivity :: Fi

    Those correlations seem to make some semblance of sense, based on the descriptions of the mindframes and the descriptions of the functions, but, based on people's (stated) MBTI type and the results posted thus far, the relationship looks iffy at best.

    I think it's relevant to note that these possible correlations between the two systems probably would make the most sense when the MBTI function being considered is in the dominant position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesshoumaru View Post
    Well, in fact, there are way more ways, once you download the specialized analysis (I think there's one coupon they give you for a free special analysis, which is the "revelations"). It gives you a percentage-detailed profile, and some other facts from it, and it sure told me way more than what mbti did. And the ways are now 100^8 (note the order is not important now, because the data should be organized by the program with any of the possibilities). As for the Lenore Thompson theory, I agree completely, it's baseless.
    The reason it can tell you more is it allows for certain combinations to be true. More instruments need to be created which get rid of dichotomies and all underlying assumptions. MBTI is peddling functions which it thinks people should use, rather than what they really can use. Mindframes knocked out the bias, which I certainly approved of.

    As for Lenore, I am not a fan. She's off with Captain Kirk making more lasagna for her lasagna theory.

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    Just finished the test:

    Mindframes - Learning - Solving - Making - Frequency of Use - (MBTI correlate?) - Score

    In Your Comfort Zone
    LOGIC - Meaning - Reason-based - Thought - Very often - (Ti) - 100
    INSIGHT - Meaning - Feel-based - Thought - Very often - (Ni) - 96
    CHARISMA - Meaning - Feel-based - Action - Often - (Ne) - 88

    Outside Your Comfort Zone
    PROACTIVITY - Meaning - Reason-based - Action - Sometimes - (Te) - 84
    SENSITIVITY - Perception - Feel-based - Thought - Sometimes - (Fi) - 84
    CONTROL - Perception - Reason-based - Action - Sometimes - (Se) - 82
    ORDER - Perception - Reason-based - Thought - Sometimes - (Si) - 80
    SOCIABILITY - Perception - Feel-based - Action - Seldom - (Fe) - 64

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    So, I'm not so sure about the MBTI correlates -- they are reasonably close, but seemingly not perfect...

    Other than (Ti) being my lead, everything else follows pretty much exactly as I would expect my function order to go...

    When I took a function order test, however, I came out almost full on Ti as well, so, maybe there's something to that...

    And who woulda thunk... the (Fe) correlate being my last one...

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    Uh, you're a Ti basher. Now what, buckaroo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Mindframe :: MBTI
    Proactivity :: Te
    Logic :: Ti
    Charisma :: Ne
    Insight :: Ni
    Control :: Se
    Order :: Si
    Sociability :: Fe
    Sensitivity :: Fi
    So, I'm... Ti > Fe > Ne > Fi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Uh, you're a Ti basher. Now what, buckaroo?


    I figure I can:

    1. Reject this Mindframes stuff as nonsense.

    - Issue: I think I do use logic extensively, so the results kinda make sense.

    2. Reject this MBTI stuff as nonsense.

    - Issue: I think the INTJ description fits me extremely well, with the ENTJ description also fitting to some extent. I do not feel the INTP or ENTP descriptions fit me well at all.

    3. Reject the correlates of the "mindframes" to the "functions".

    - Issue: I've also scored 100% Ti on MBTI functional strengths tests (which was equal with my Ni, and higher than my Te), so I'm not surprised to get this result as well...

    4. Reject my previous beliefs about Ti-doms/auxs.

    - Issue: INTPs and ENTPs tend to be such idiots...

    5. Modify my understanding of Mindframes, MBTI, and their relationship.

    - I think I'm going with #5.


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    All of this through rationalizations? Powerful stuff, that. I suppose there is no identifiable proof either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    PROACTIVITY Action Very often (Lead mindframe)
    LOGIC Thought Very often
    CONTROL Action Often
    INSIGHT Thought Often

    CHARISMA Action Seldom
    ORDER Thought Seldom
    SOCIABILITY Action Seldom
    SENSITIVITY Thought Seldom


    I actually kind of like this one, the division between thought and action along the four different dimensions.. it seems like it's got the potential to be a pretty useful and insightful little framework.
    well,

    LOGIC Thought Very often (Lead mindframe)
    INSIGHT Thought Very often
    PROACTIVITY Action Very often
    CONTROL Action Very often

    CHARISMA Action Sometimes
    ORDER Thought Seldom
    SENSITIVITY Thought Seldom
    SOCIABILITY Action Rarely




    I guess this is the one test that's actually pretty consistent for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    2. Reject this MBTI stuff as nonsense.
    I find #2 most appealing.

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