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    Negotiator/explorer

    You see the big picture. You easily take the broad, long view of almost any topic. You are comfortable juggling myriad facts. You tend to synthesize material easily and think in webs of factors, not straight lines. You are imaginative and enjoy ideas.

    You are also socially savvy. You are good at both talking and listening. And you generally read people's faces, body postures and tone of voice accurately, so you often intuitively understand what people want and need.

    You are also highly compassionate. You care deeply about others. So you are inclined to make personal sacrifices to be a supportive friend and colleague. And you are idealistic and altruistic; you like to work to improve the world.

    And you have an adventurous side; you enjoy new ideas and novel experiences and you want to share these with an enthusiastic partner. But you are particularly fond of people who are direct, decisive, focused and tough-minded, people who complement your more flexible, agreeable and affable style.
    i liked this one. good find :]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    From what i can tell, Director seems to reflect a more MBTI xST(J?) mindset, while Negotiator reflects a more xNF(P?). I connect far more with the N(P?) aspects of the Negotiator than the F aspects, and more with the T aspects of Director than the S(J?) aspects.

    So it's not really the same sort of archetypical breakdown of Kiersey or MBTI, per se.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I skimmed through the book at Borders last night and since I had a coupon, I bought a copy for closer reading later. I don't find the groupings as useful as some other systems I've seen but wanted to understand it better and give it a fair shake.

    It reminds me of DISC too in some ways.

    There wasn't really a good PRIMARY/Secondary description in the book for the types, except in the one section on how people approach romantic relationships. Her primary focus seems to be on the four main archetypes themselves, particularly in the relationships/dating niche, so there's stuff in the back of the book even reviewing how people "pick each other up" out in social situations, not really even type related.
    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Took it again, because some people were getting Director/explorer who I don't really think I'm all that similar to...but I got it again. Guess I could be Director/negotiator but the more feely aspects to the questions are turning me off.
    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Only thing is that I don't really relate to the more "extraverted" assertiveness, but more of an internal assertiveness. I think that's where I was having trouble. Also, it can take me a bit to get to a decision, but once the decision is made my external behavior reflects that decision usually instantaneously.

    The system doesn't really seem to make a distinction between introversion and extraversion so maybe there's wiggle room. I dunno
    Basically, it is Director=Choleric, Negotiator=Phlegmatic, Explorer=Sanguine, Builder=Melancholic.

    These four temperaments can be either the Keirsey groupings, OR the Interaction Styles. Both systems being blended in each type.
    This system seems to be more aligned with Keirsey, while DISC is more like Interaction Styles.

    I liked this system, because it highlights the "Choleric" aspects of the NT, which are diminished in Keirsey's system, in which he suggested NT was "phlegmatic" because of its "coolness", and NF as "choleric" because of its "emotion". This system makes more clear the true temperament correspondences.
    So if Director seems ST'ish, EST is the Choleric Interaction Style ("In Charge") and will bear some theoretical similarities to NT. Likewise, ISF or INP will bear some similarities to NF, and I have seen ISFP's object to the "Sanguine"-based SP profiles. Their type is a blend of Sanguine with Phlegmatic (or Supine), so it is not going to perfectly fit either.
    Hence, this would match the "primary/secondary" concept!

    We see one "Director" objecting to "extraverted assertiveness", which is a classic Choleric description. However, the Choleric's "extroversion" only corresponds to the type code's "E" in the Interaction Styles. In Keirsey's groups, it is instead what is represented by what he called called "pragmatic", which would be quite compatible with this "internal assertiveness" regarding decisions. So this would understandably characterize an introverted NT. They are slow to take action, but once the decision is made, then they are assertive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    We see one "Director" objecting to "extraverted assertiveness", which is a classic Choleric description. However, the Choleric's "extroversion" only corresponds to the type code's "E" in the Interaction Styles. In Keirsey's groups, it is instead what is represented by what he called called "pragmatic", which would be quite compatible with this "internal assertiveness" regarding decisions. So this would understandably characterize an introverted NT. They are slow to take action, but once the decision is made, then they are assertive.
    I identify with Director on that level.

    I'm not externally assertive in the least by nature, I'm very flexy (the Negotiator and diplomat). But once that internal decision gets made, I've been rather amazed at how pig-headed and assertive I can be. I just push forward and I don't quit.

    Anyway, thank you for your observations -- you're sorta the "go-to guy" around here for understanding and comparisons among the humour/DISC-style systems.
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    Thanks!

    I just went back to read people's combo results more closely, and I was getting ready to edit to add, for one thing, I see the primary/secondary concept does not seem to match what I suggest in many people, however, the ones that do match are:

    Jennifer
    Halla
    Saint Kat
    Sky Is Blue
    Mr Eyebrows
    Cafe
    Lady X

    For Black Cat, the combo he said fits better matches his current type, while the other includes Director, which would match him having Choleric tendencies (I also see he has replaced Choleric in his humour combo with Sanguine).

    I have also just noticed that Jock is wearing ISFP now. I was going by him being INTP, still. That type would match the Explorer part. (Director and Explorer together I would theoretically correspond to ENTP or ESTP).
    What made you change? It wasn't because you came out as part "explorer" in this test, was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I have also just noticed that Jock is wearing ISFP now.
    Jock is ESFP. Get it right.

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    Didn't look like one in person! INTP looked right. Wasn't he the one infamous for avoiding displays of affection in our meetups?
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    No, no, he's really ESFP. I'm INTP. I wuuuuuuuuuuuv Ti!

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    Negotiator/Builder
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    Moderator puckishness made me change! I swear I didn't have any say in the matter



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    but I'm not an ENFP... they won't even have me! :steam:
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