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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    OK, that makes sense. When I first read about Enneagram, I identified the 9 types with the five temperaments and four "Phlegmatic blend" pairs, and the 4 sounded like the MelancholyPhlegmatic/SupinePhlegmatic range (introverted, and between people-focused and task-focused).
    do you have a table relating all of this??? (I wanna see where i fit in! )

    Im 1w9 ...they integrate at 7 and disintegrate to 4...im a supine phlegmatic in affection...does that mean that affection invariable leads to an enneagram mental breakdown?

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    This uses the same dimensions as the map posted earlier in the thread

    (From Temperament Part 3: APS and other systems)
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    This uses the same dimensions as the map posted earlier in the thread

    (From Temperament Part 3: APS and other systems)
    Ah... So now we can break it down even further!!!

    Inclusion: Choleric Phlegmatic = 3 = Most people really dont know me beyond my superficial attempts to look like I'm achieving and fitting in. To get underneath you have to earn it/be patient/do something/who knows what.

    = Se dominates Fe. Ive been told that if you barely know me, I come off as ESTP

    Control: Phlegmatic Choleric = 1 = I'm a perfectionist. If I dominate too much I fail, if I lack control I fail. People have to like agree with me, but if they dont, I dont care and still want it my way . Its an almost impossible balance.

    = Ti tries to completely keep pace with Fe. If you only see me "in action", I appear ENXJ.

    Affection: Supine Phlegmatic = 4 = I live in a reaction only fantasy land. I want to leave my island to visit another island, but I dont make an attempt unless I see a friendly flag (and I dont fly friendly flags myself!).

    = Ni paranoia dominates Fe. If you weren't aware of my thought process, you would think I was blind to people's actions, and might appear INFX.

    I spend most of my time in the control region of my personality. therefore my overall disposition is
    ENXJ "1". There is a phlegmatic "air" to all of my regions, therefore I have a tendency towards a 9 wing and an NF temperament. Add it all up and we get ENFJ 1w9!

    How else can we needlessly complicate me!? (serious)

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    I originally gathered the links and wrote the response, but for some reason, it didn't post, so I had to do it again, and didn't have time to rewrite the whole thing. So what got left off was that that page is offering a proposed full correlation between Enneagram and APS (utilizing the instinctual variants, which are dead ringers for Inclusion, Control and Affection, but not stacked with different types.

    But hey, if you're saying they fit, or seem to explain things about you; then all the more great! So in this idea, you would be 3so1sp4sx, and I guess the 1 is what comes out strongest (and the 3 and 4 mellow each other out to a 9 wing). Would sp happen to beyour strongest variant in the standard stacking method with only one type? (If you've ever taken a test using variant theory). If so, that would also explain it.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    I had a difficult time deciding mine...

    Inclusion: either Supine Phlematic or Supine
    Control: Phlegmatic Sanguine
    Affection: Melancholy

    I don't really know what to make of this. What type does this equate to?

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    I think I may be:

    Inclusion: Melancholy
    Control: Melancholy
    Affection: Supine

    The affection part gave me a pause. I do initiate affection sometimes though not primarily, so I agree with that, but I don't need a full contact experience all the time either.
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    DisneyGeek: ISFP? (Bordering on INFP)

    Domino: Melancholy-Melancholy- would likely be ISTJ. Now, Melancholy in Inclusion/Supine in Control would fit INFJ, but you have Supine in Affection. In any case, a Melancholy in Inclusion is a definite introvert. (though I see you have the "e" lowercase).

    The person who first introduced me to the Keirsey test, and thus to the type code, was Melancholy-Melancholy-Supine, and ISTJ; and my father is also Melancholy-Melancholy-SupinePhlegmatic, and fits ISTJ. I guess the Affection part you describe does fit him as well, but that's because both my mother and I had compulsively low expressed Affection, so that left him the most expressive one, and even his moderate want would not be met otherwise.

    Also, if you're female, ISTJ females do often seem like Feeling types, because of the traditional roles of women, which they retain with their dominant Si; plus the tertiary Fi provides plenty of Feeling.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Inclusion: phlegmatic melancholy
    Control: phlegmatic choleric
    Affection: phlegmatic melancholy? or Phlegmatic? That was a tough one.

    what does this mean? I don't understand the graph with different names.
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    Inclusion- Phlegmatic-Sanguine
    Control- Sanguine-Phlegmatic
    Affection- Sanguine-Phlegmatic
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    MDP2525:

    On the graph, right is more expressive, left is less expressive or more reserved. That is extraverted vs introverted for Inclusion and Affection, and pragmatic vs cooperative for Control. Up is more responsive, and down is less responsive. That's people vs task or informative vs directive for Inclusion, and motive vs structure for Control.

    Your temperaments all express as a Phlegmatic, which is midway between left and right. It means you're all around moderately expressive in all areas.

    Phlegmatic Melancholy (Inclusion) is ambiverted and directive. Basically between Chart the Course and In Charge, but on the CtC side.

    Phlegmatic Choleric is next to Phlegmatic Melancholy, on the Choleric side, and is similar. But this is in Control for you rather than Inclusion. That would in my view be between SJ and NT.

    However, you have ISTP. That would match the Chart the Course or Phlegmatic Melancholy in Inclusion.
    The Control isn't matching, however (I expect SP to be Sanguine). Though it's not terribly far off. (Sanguine is higher on the responsive scale from Choleric).

    Aleksei:
    This matches ENFP a little bit better than the Sanguine-Choleric of the four temperament test.
    Phlegmatic-Sanguine in Inclusion matches the ENP (Get Things Going) part OK; just a little less expressive (i.e. ambiverted). This could explain why you came out as an introvert in at least one test you have listed there.

    Sanguine Phlegmatic (Control) is actually next to Choleric. So that almost matches the other test. It is just as expressive as Choleric, though moderately more responsive (which would translate to "motive focused").
    Since it is part Phlegmatic, and Phlegmatic matches NF, then I can see how you could come out ENFP.
    At the same time, as I had pointed out, SLUEI=ENTP, which is SanChlor, and you are close to that. I imagine you also might come out as ESFP as well.

    I could also see this combination as being very 3-ish.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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