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    The choices
    a external concrete peception "what is"; EXPERIENCE The experience
    b internal concrete perception "what was"; RELIVE The experience; also internal physical senses
    c exernal abstract perception "what could be"; CONCEIVE FROM The experience, exploring possibilities
    d internal abstract perception "what will be" ANTICIPATE The experience; infer universal meaning
    e external true/false judgment "What's efficient"; ORGANIZE The experience; agreed upon principles
    f internal true/false judgment "What's underlying"; ANALYZE The experience; universal principles
    g external good or bad standard of judgment "What's appropriate"; RELATE TO The experience; interpersonal values
    h internal good or bad standard of judgment "What's important"; EVALUATE The experience; universal values

    The Questions
    1. This is the process that has longest been my main approach to the world
    a
    2. This process is also very central to me, and is generally how I'm helpful to myself and others
    e
    3. This process is how I find relief, and am often playful and childish
    b
    4. This process may be very immature, but I deep down inside ultimately aspire to it. I often project my fears with it
    d

    5. This process often seems stupid, or like an attack when others use it. I use it to be stubborn and argumentative, or back up my lead process
    c
    6. I am often grumpy and cynical with this process. It nags at me, and when others use it, it makes it worse inside. I then use it to immobilize others.
    h
    7. This process makes me feel I am walking into a trap. I then use it to try to trick or double bind others, and also become comedic or clownish with it.
    g
    8. This process seems very destructive, or my undoing. It often erupts and imposes itself. It does restore some balance at times.
    f

    I don't really like this test.
    The last answer doesn't even really apply to the last statement at all.

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    People can have their processes develop, and if they have, then the processes will be further along. Perhaps one of them won't be your "undoing" any longer since you've learned how to use it properly. The same could apply to any of those statements. I did the closest I could though.

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    1. This is the process that has longest been my main approach to the world
    F
    2. This process is also very central to me, and is generally how I'm helpful to myself and others
    C
    3. This process is how I find relief, and am often playful and childish
    D
    4. This process may be very immature, but I deep down inside ultimately aspire to it. I often project my fears with it
    E
    5. This process often seems stupid, or like an attack when others use it. I use it to be stubborn and argumentative, or back up my lead process
    A
    6. I am often grumpy and cynical with this process. It nags at me, and when others use it, it makes it worse inside. I then use it to immobilize others.
    B
    7. This process makes me feel I am walking into a trap. I then use it to try to trick or double bind others, and also become comedic or clownish with it.
    H
    8. This process seems very destructive, or my undoing. It often erupts and imposes itself. It does restore some balance at times.
    G
    [B]Ti=Ne>Ni>Fe>Te=Fi>Si>Se

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    Se-Te-Si-Ni-Ne-Fi-Fe-Ti

    Wow, I was just over on the CP Test thread, since there was a new post, and saw your results and thought you needed to come over here!

    It seems like some of these match the CP result. Could be a lot of things. We can break it down by the type that has each process in the role you perceive it in.

    "Leading" Se: ESxP
    "support" Te: ExTJ
    "Relief" Si: INxP
    "Aspirational" Ni: ESxP
    "Oppositional" Ne: ENxP
    "Immobilizing" Fi: IxFJ
    "Deceiving" Fe: IxTJ
    "Destructive" Ti: IxFP

    You're all over the place! But with Se and Ni in place, ES_P seems the most likely. ESFP has Te as relief, which of course could be mistaken as support. ESTP would have Ti, not Te, so that's out! Ti is in place for the introverted SFP, so that's actually a fairly close fit for ESFP (either place -7 or 8- is very deep in the shadow, and you often "regret" decisions made with the function).
    Problem is, Fi (which should be supporting or "good parent") perceived as immobilizing, or "critcal parent". I imagine if you're around a lot of people you're always fighting or something, such a misperception could occur. And Fi is so tricky to get a complete grasp on, and is said to be really noticeable only when a value is violated; so that's probably what it is. (Hence, it's why many people have trouble sorting NFP vs NTP).

    So, it looks like ESFP!

    laintpe (INTP)

    Ti-Ne-Ni-Te-Se-Si-Fi-Fe

    First two in place, so likely professed type. Strong Ni again. (Relief, for real?) Te perceived as aspirational. I could relate to that, as it is a sign of power, which NT's seek, and it's an STJ society (and I grew up with ISTJ parents). Also gives an appearance of an NFP preference (you should see the battles I've gone through with someone over this elsewhere!), especially since we're informing, and it's obviously not in the first two, which would yield Directing communication. But with me, I recognize it as Opposing (trying to fight the world with it's own function).
    Se perceived as Opposing? Could be part of the "deception" of it's true role.
    Grumpy with Si? It's like this is swapped with Ni. Maybe had a lot of bad memories? (Me; I'm very nostalgic with it).
    Fi as deceiving? This is deep shadow (like the 8th where it should be), so it's still "regrettable", as I call it, and in the place it would be for our ENTP cousins. Perhaps pushed up one by:
    Fe as destructive. This is the typical perception of the INTP for his Aspirational, in it's negative, undeveloped form before it develops in midlife. I imagine this will be to be expected from INTP's.
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    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Thank you for your efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Se-Te-Si-Ni-Ne-Fi-Fe-Ti

    Wow, I was just over on the CP Test thread, since there was a new post, and saw your results and thought you needed to come over here!

    It seems like some of these match the CP result. Could be a lot of things. We can break it down by the type that has each process in the role you perceive it in.

    "Leading" Se: ESxP
    "support" Te: ExTJ
    "Relief" Si: INxP
    "Aspirational" Ni: ESxP
    "Oppositional" Ne: ENxP
    "Immobilizing" Fi: IxFJ
    "Deceiving" Fe: IxTJ
    "Destructive" Ti: IxFP

    You're all over the place! But with Se and Ni in place, ES_P seems the most likely. ESFP has Te as relief, which of course could be mistaken as support. ESTP would have Ti, not Te, so that's out! Ti is in place for the introverted SFP, so that's actually a fairly close fit for ESFP (either place -7 or 8- is very deep in the shadow, and you often "regret" decisions made with the function).
    Problem is, Fi (which should be supporting or "good parent") perceived as immobilizing, or "critcal parent". I imagine if you're around a lot of people you're always fighting or something, such a misperception could occur. And Fi is so tricky to get a complete grasp on, and is said to be really noticeable only when a value is violated; so that's probably what it is. (Hence, it's why many people have trouble sorting NFP vs NTP).

    So, it looks like ESFP
    LOL i thought this was a response to my post before i looked at the time this was posted.
    [B]Ti=Ne>Ni>Fe>Te=Fi>Si>Se

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    I added yours to hers after I saw you added yours inbetween. So it's there now.
    (Lemons, you're welcome!)
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
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    1. This is the process that has longest been my main "modus operandi".
    d
    2. This process is also very central to me, and is generally how I'm helpful to myself and others
    f
    3. This process is how I find relief, and am often playful and childish
    a
    4. This process may be very immature, but I deep down inside ultimately aspire to it. I often project my fears with it
    g
    5. This process often seems stupid, or like an attack when others use it. I use it to be stubborn and argumentative, or back up my lead process
    e
    6. I am often grumpy and cynical with this process. It nags at me, and when others use it, it makes it worse inside. I then use it to immobilize others.
    h
    7. This process makes me feel I am walking into a trap. I then use it to try to trick or double bind others, and also become comedic or clownish with it.
    c
    8. This process seems very destructive, or my undoing. It often erupts and imposes itself. It does restore some balance at times.
    b

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    Ni-Ti-Se-Fe-Te-Fi-Ne-Si

    Here's another one we just have to sort out the types of each perceived role:

    1 INxJ
    2 IxTP
    3 ENxJ
    4 IxTP
    5 IxTP
    6 IxFJ
    7 ISxP
    8 INxJ

    1, 6 and 8 are in place for professed INFJ; 2, 4 and 5 in place for former INTP profession. 3 is also NJ, while 7 has primary Se/Ni as well.
    Well, it looks like Ni edges out Ne (which is perceived as very low in the shadow, though it should be Opposing for the INJ).

    However, to look at it on another angle, you have 3 IxTP, and one ISxP, which would be a possible 4 for ISTP. Could Ni be an inflated "relief" function, instead of Se, which would be the "supporting"? You have always seemed more of a Thinker, though I guess you do seem more abstract. But the third function is said to inflate itself, leading to confusion between INFJ and IxTP. That could make the N seem more preferred, perhaps even more than some N types. Should have remembered to point this out this yesterday as well.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    lemons (INTJ)

    Ni-Te-Ne-Se-Fi-Fe-Ti-Si



    I was wondering if these just paralleled people's CP results, but while this starts out similarly, we see some differences. Either way, first two match professed type. In this test, Aspirational and "Destructive" (8th) in place. Very E heavy on top, other introverted functions and Fe perceived very lowly, so INTJ is the mostl likely.
    One oddity is that I don't see myself in any way extroverted. Perhaps it is hidden underneath my strong Ni.

    Se has always come about in spurts, never when I want it to. Most of my functions are the aristocracy, other than Si and Fe. Se is the town rat colony living among the domiciles.

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