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Fudjack/Dinkelaker Functional Preferences Instrument

Mal12345

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Suuuure...now I'm an ENTP and prpls an INTP.

Yep.

Maybe we just don't have very much Fe.

Sometimes F questions seem skewed toward Fe and S questions toward Si.

I've never seen a case where so many expected 100% results out of a self-test.
 

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Okay, it's time to show and tell.

Go back to the site, right click on view page source, and look at the code.
There are some valid reasons to question what they're associating with T, F, S, N.
Make your own decisions.

I certainly wouldn't be betting the ranch on your results after seeing their method.

When was the last time you weren't skeptical of a test?

Let's see, that one before, you thought no test with 180 questions could be called "fun."
The one before that had some problem with it too.

Hmmm, there's a speck on my monitor - throw it away!
 

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You haven't been familiar with MBTI long, have you?

Oh, only about a thousand years or so.

I have to work with a guy twice a week who loves to play skeptic. It's all good. :headphne:
 

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I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere in this thread (I didn't read the whole thing) but Fudjack has his own nomenclature. Although the same 4 letter codes are used, John Fudjack and Patricia Dinkelaker assign different meaning to their type definition.

This article gives a brief overview of their system. Using MBTI INFP as an example, Fudjack/Dinkelaker would code that personality type as inF (because F has highest preference). FD33 differs from MBTI in that they add 16 more type definitions. Each of the standard 16 types can be either closure/non-closure (or directive/non-directive). So, our INFP could either be inF (closure) or inF (non-closure).

My results look like this
N 13
S 5
F 9
T 10

N-T-F-S
iNtj (INTJ closure)
iNtp (INTJ non-closure)
eNtj (ENTJ closure)
eNtp (ENTJ non-closure)

I like the F/D nomenclature - it seems to address some of inconsistencies that I have experienced in attempting to pin down my own typing.
 
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Check your bias—and egos—at the door.

N= profound?
T= influential?
T= brilliant?

My ego is big enough. I don't need sunshine blown up my ass.

If you have paid too little attention to material things you're N
If you don't have a more meaningful life you're S
If you're not more assertive you're F
If you don't have more close friends you're T

If you can get things done you're T
If you are profound you're N
If you are warm and kind you're F
If you are stable and successful you're S


If you go to the dictionary and look up the word bias, you'll see a picture of Fudjack/Dinkelaker.
 

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It was a decent effort...

Maybe what MBTI lacks is something like Reinin dichotomies (and even then, those are too reductionist). What tests basically amount to are oversimplified S/N T/F differences. That's pretty broad. This one is still doing the same, but tried to be more precise ("desultory".. heh). I don't know if that's the right approach to a good test or not. Precision or introducing more dichotomies. :thinking:

i wonder if it wouldn't be best to try breaking things down progressively little by little... like i remember vagrantfarce's test, which if i remember the code right would eliminate down based on your answers...

like start

N --- S
F --- T

then
Ne --- Ni
Se --- Si
Fe --- Fi
Te --- Ti

then rank accordingly

when i get more time i think i'm going to try to code something like that :thinking:

Jaguar said:
If you go to the dictionary and look up the word bias, you'll see a picture of Fudjack/Dinkelaker.

also found under "names that make you LOL"
 

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I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere in this thread (I didn't read the whole thing) but Fudjack has his own nomenclature. Although the same 4 letter codes are used, John Fudjack and Patricia Dinkelaker assign different meaning to their type definition.

This article gives a brief overview of their system. Using MBTI INFP as an example, Fudjack/Dinkelaker would code that personality type as inF (because F has highest preference). FD33 differs from MBTI in that they add 16 more type definitions. Each of the standard 16 types can be either closure/non-closure (or directive/non-directive). So, our INFP could either be inF (closure) or inF (non-closure).

My results look like this
N 13
S 5
F 9
T 10

N-T-F-S
iNtj (INTJ closure)
iNtp (INTJ non-closure)
eNtj (ENTJ closure)
eNtp (ENTJ non-closure)

My T/F is pretty much even - I could just as easily test as INFJ (closure/non-closure).

I like the F/D nomenclature - it seems to address some of inconsistencies that I have experienced in attempting to pin down my own typing. If I were actually a non-closure version of an MBTI directive type (either INTJ or INFJ) then it would provide a better descriptor than the ill-fitting INTP.

that's interesting, good to know.

so MBTI directive is xxxJ, and F/D closure is J-function dom?

i've noticed in my INTP dad that he has many "J" traits, as well. i've attributed those to being J-dom in MBTI.
 

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I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere in this thread (I didn't read the whole thing) but Fudjack has his own nomenclature. Although the same 4 letter codes are used, John Fudjack and Patricia Dinkelaker assign different meaning to their type definition.

This article gives a brief overview of their system. Using MBTI INFP as an example, Fudjack/Dinkelaker would code that personality type as inF (because F has highest preference). FD33 differs from MBTI in that they add 16 more type definitions. Each of the standard 16 types can be either closure/non-closure (or directive/non-directive). So, our INFP could either be inF (closure) or inF (non-closure).

My results look like this
N 13
S 5
F 9
T 10

N-T-F-S
iNtj (INTJ closure)
iNtp (INTJ non-closure)
eNtj (ENTJ closure)
eNtp (ENTJ non-closure)

My T/F is pretty much even - I could just as easily test as INFJ (closure/non-closure).

I like the F/D nomenclature - it seems to address some of inconsistencies that I have experienced in attempting to pin down my own typing. If I were actually a non-closure version of an MBTI directive type (either INTJ or INFJ) then it would provide a better descriptor than the ill-fitting INTP.

That's certainly true, unless you're trying to tell someone your type out loud. What then? How do you say, "I'm an inT"? Would you say, "i-n-capital-T"? Or "non-closure inT"?
 

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N-F-T-S = iNfj, iNfp, eNfp, eNfj
F-N-S-T = inFp, inFj, enFj, enFp
N-T-F-S = iNtj, iNtp, eNtp, eNtj
T-N-S-F = inTp, enTj, inTj, enTp
S-F-T-N = iSfj, eSfp, iSfp, eSfj
T-S-N-F = isTp, esTj, isTj, esTp
S-T-F-N = iStj, eStp, iStp, eStj
F-S-N-T = isFp, esFj, isFj, esFp
 

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Guy with funny last name wrote:

We know that N and F will be ranked amongst the first two prefered functions for Mike. But how does the MBTI test for the EXACT order in which Mike prefers these functions -his socalled 'functional preference order'? It doesn't. At least not directly. It determines Mike's preference order only INDIRECTLY. It INFERS it from how he scored on the four scales (I, N, F and P - in this example). And this inference is made on the basis of the very ASSUMPTION that we are calling into question - that all Introverts who have an F-N-S-T preference will necessarily test 'P'. It is a 'circular' argument; it 'begs the question'.

That's brilliant!
 

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Guy with funny last name wrote:

We know that N and F will be ranked amongst the first two prefered functions for Mike. But how does the MBTI test for the EXACT order in which Mike prefers these functions -his socalled 'functional preference order'? It doesn't. At least not directly. It determines Mike's preference order only INDIRECTLY. It INFERS it from how he scored on the four scales (I, N, F and P - in this example). And this inference is made on the basis of the very ASSUMPTION that we are calling into question - that all Introverts who have an F-N-S-T preference will necessarily test 'P'. It is a 'circular' argument; it 'begs the question'.

That's brilliant!

It's not that brilliant.
 

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Oh I get why mal thinks it's "brilliant." Didn't automatically see how it related to function order like I did.

Now, mal, you'll understand wtf I was talking about for the entire thread, and why I said it was calling me an ENTP.
 

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T-N-S-F = inTp, enTj, inTj, enTp

BAHAHAHA!!! :yim_rolling_on_the_

Though I will admit... I didn't understand quite a bit of the questions and had no stance on a bunch of them.

Oh, and I feel special because I actually knew what the word 'desultory' meant. :laugh:
 

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Now, now, don't be skeptical. It might upset mal.
 

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A well-considered skepticism makes sense at least.

I've been studying personality for going on two years now. I also know some of these people getting these preposterous results perhaps a tiny bit better than you, so I see just how ridiculously wrong it is, while you don't.

And you clearly don't understand enough about Jungian function theory to see exactly what Jag and skylights exposed with that code.
 
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