04-29-2011, 10:35 AM #231"There seems to be a deep instinct in human beings to make compulsory that which isn't forbidden."
04-29-2011, 12:18 PM #232
But this is an abstract construct, defined by someone with a particular meaning. The whole thing is criticized for lacking empirical science, but we can still employ in observing people.
I should also add that SW did have a bit of softness in his communication that TJ's tend not to have. The difference is very subtle, and hard to domonstrate, though.
04-29-2011, 01:44 PM #233
I'm certain that the MBTI can be and is applicable, at least for about (let's say) 50% of those being typed. The rest kind of fall into the "Hmmm, I dunno" category, and mistyping is very common because the MBTI forces a choice that may be wrong for you.
If you're not curious to know why, and if you're satisfied with the results so far, that's up to you; but I like to trace a theory to its source and determine its limits. (Edit - thanks to John for doing all the digging and tracing for us!)"There seems to be a deep instinct in human beings to make compulsory that which isn't forbidden."
04-29-2011, 03:28 PM #234
What a great name for a test. Was this guy the creator?
04-29-2011, 03:36 PM #235
04-29-2011, 08:25 PM #236
04-29-2011, 08:54 PM #237
And that point is not proven by analogy anyway, it is proven by the fact that the MBTI is a dogma based on Prophet Jung's intuitions about a collective unconscious. That's a better analogy anyway. Jung = prophet; collective unconscious = God."There seems to be a deep instinct in human beings to make compulsory that which isn't forbidden."
04-29-2011, 09:14 PM #238
I'm not damning the analogy; I was affirming it. (The banghead was aimed at the fact of what was said; not the analogy itself).
04-29-2011, 09:16 PM #239
04-29-2011, 10:43 PM #240
A friend of mine recently asked me why the MBTI is so popular. I simply answered, "It came first." But I don't think that's the entire story. There is an addictive ritualizing element. It is an intellectually addicting dogma. And I noticed someone's sig on this forum stating that overuse of the MBTI can lead to some kind of dependency problems. As a type 5 inTp, the last thing I need is to become intellectually attached to a dogma.
This is something I went through over 25 years ago. The saving grace of it all is that the MBTI led to the Enneagram, which taught me about integrating to 8. Ever since then I have been dedicated to interacting with the real world (e.g., work and relationships) in a meaningful manner instead of just pondering the universe or other people's personality types. That doesn't mean I don't dabble in intellectual matters, but now it's a hobby that has occasional application, it's not a way of life. Typology helped me understand my present marriage situation, thus helping me over the hurdle of understanding the other person so I can properly attune my responses, and I'm grateful to typology for that.
At first I wrote "adjust" instead of "attune," but adjusting is something people do just to get used to something. Attuning is very different from adjusting. It bears a stronger connotation of harmony and even empathy, and in order to accomplish this I have to fully understand what (or who) it is I am attuning with.
Back to the intellectually addicting dogma: I am not primarily interested in Fudjack's accomplishment of spelling out the basic problem with the MBTI, as in finding out once and for all why the MBTI affected me so much 25 years ago. I can't do anything about the part of me attracted to dogmas like the MBTI, but once I learn to identify the system as a potentially harmful dogma it is effectively vanquished, for me anyway."There seems to be a deep instinct in human beings to make compulsory that which isn't forbidden."
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