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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    :rolli: Please.


    B.S. That wasn't what I was doing at all. I read the thread and agreed with a lot of what was said - all the quoted stuff, and more, as a matter of fact.
    And I'm lazy, I like it when other people say what I'm thinking. It means I don't have to type so much.

    Some people are being rather silly. I don't have a problem with the mods. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MODS.
    I had questions and concerns about POLICY and the sort of behaviour that is tolerated and that is not. These concerns extend beyond this place. I made some observations that led me to think about forum dynamics in general. And whether they are healthy environments, and what the dangers are, and how they might be improved blah, blah, blah. It's what I do.
    I perceived inconsistencies. I wanted some clarification. I got some. Not enough, but still. I didn't even suggest specific changes, I don't think the world revolves around me and my opinions - far from it. I'm not asking for anyone to be reinstated.
    ( I don't know why I suppose that ppl will actually read what I am saying and not what their bruised egos think I mean.)
    No bruised ego here, just a little puzzled.

    I expect you can see why I read the resurrection of that thread in this way. You did make a point of bringing up the corrupt administration thread when you did it, and also that you found the self appointed mods were dismissive, snide etc.

    If it's not meant to be perceived as hostile, the tone was perhaps ill-chosen.

    Anyway, I'll take it that it wasn't your intention, that as you say you'd rather there was a debate.

    As a result of the problems with Uber, and the Zerg issue, we've updated our constitution as mods, tightened up our policies, ensured that all bannings etc are voted on with equal vote. We don't knee jerk.. time is taken for all parties to discuss. We've also sought to seek mods from a variety of users of all types so as to balance the moderation of the site as best as can be.

    The warning (and not just) infraction system, for example, was brought in to try and give a way of just nudging something wrong without coming down heavily on minor points, and also so that infractions had a real weight. The timing and number of them was also codified so that people are treated fairly. Even then, it still has to be pretty extreme for serious action, like a ban, to be taken against someone, and with the exception of just immediate idiots like porn or spammers, they have to have a number of bad posts over a period of time before such a thing happens.

    Can I ask what you would do to change the system, if you were asked to moderate? Some constructive feedback would be helpful (as it seems there is some... aggrievement(?) despite protestations to the contrary).

    Try me.

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    S'all good BlueMonday.

    I appreciate that you took care with your answers. I'm leaving for the long weekend and given the speed of internet time, by the time I get back this thread will either be on page 50+ or else will have retired to graveyard (or maybe it never will).

    I just wanted to say - I do understand about using a specific point as a jump off to other points, and touching on larger principles, etc.

    When I responded to your post, I wasn't just responding to you BlueMonday, I was responding to really everyone and anyone who might say those same things.

    When I said I didn't think you had thought it all through what your discomfort was, I wasn't being sarcastic - I really meant it. To me discomfort is really a sign that there's something more to explore within oneself and in your post you didn't elaborate further.

    I think what it comes down to practically, after difference of opinion, is that you still think there's a better way to do things?

    I think the mods are open to suggestions, and even if they weren't, you are always welcome to post your ideas.

    Personally, I would like to avoid these long, drawn out broughahas every time someone is banned or about to get banned.

    Look forward to seeing where this resurrected thread is at on Tuesday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    You did make a point of bringing up the corrupt administration thread when you did it, and also that you found the self appointed mods were dismissive, snide etc.
    I didn't QFT that thread. Didn't even post in it as it seemed a bit ridiculous. I merely disputed one of the points raised. I only said (a minority) no longer seem to participate much, and it is therefore difficult for n00bs such as myself to know / make an assessment of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    As a result of the problems with Uber, and the Zerg issue, we've updated our constitution as mods, tightened up our policies, ensured that all bannings etc are voted on with equal vote. We don't knee jerk.. time is taken for all parties to discuss. We've also sought to seek mods from a variety of users of all types so as to balance the moderation of the site as best as can be.

    The warning (and not just) infraction system, for example, was brought in to try and give a way of just nudging something wrong without coming down heavily on minor points, and also so that infractions had a real weight. The timing and number of them was also codified so that people are treated fairly. Even then, it still has to be pretty extreme for serious action, like a ban, to be taken against someone, and with the exception of just immediate idiots like porn or spammers, they have to have a number of bad posts over a period of time before such a thing happens.

    Can I ask what you would do to change the system, if you were asked to moderate? Some constructive feedback would be helpful (as it seems there is some... aggrievement(?) despite protestations to the contrary).

    Try me.
    I thought I already did that. I was just a bit vague, I suppose. I'm better at deconstruction...

    Do you want specifics? I will have to give it some more thought and type it up in triplicate!
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    blue, what's your problem with the mods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    blue, what's your problem with the mods?
    I them with all of my .

    But you're my favouritist.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    I them with all of my .

    But you're my favouritist.
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    I got an idea! Let's periodically hold a lottery in which we decide to kick-out the moderator that gets the matching ticket, and then haphazardly fill in their place with another user. Those who replaced the last expelled person get immunity and as such do not participate in the lottery (for instance, this next time around, Mempy would be safe).

    Institutionalize the chaos!
    (I like that line better than "teach the controversy".)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I got an idea! Let's periodically hold a lottery in which we decide to kick-out the moderator that gets the matching ticket, and then haphazardly fill in their place with another user. Those who replaced the last expelled person get immunity and as such do not participate in the lottery (for instance, this next time around, Mempy would be safe).

    Institutionalize the chaos!
    (I like that line better than "teach the controversy".)
    Who should I bribe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Who should I bribe?
    It seems the answer to that will always be Haight.
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    Whom did the mods select as the new mods?

    I hope it is not Zerling!

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