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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    IT IS not the same, gauntlet and modbox. I only feel like I should point this out because as far as I can tell^ I'm the only one who noticed. It is comparing the mayor's office to a bowling club. That is all.
    I agree, they aren't the same thing. I would support the mayor's rights to be rude about his constituents in private, by the way.

    The modbox and gauntlet threads are only the "same thing" if a member says that noone anywhere should be allowed to make private comments that are disparaging in nature. In that case they are both in the set "anywhere".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajah View Post
    I don't think this is an appropriate comment. The issue isn't Gauntlet threads - what the people there discussed is irrelevant to the present conversation about your modbox discussions being disseminated to people on this board. One of the issues we're talking about is how it feels to have that trust breached - your private comments being made public. Your allusion to the Gauntlet threads, period, threatens to breach privacy in the same way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    Agreed. Why would you want to do the same thing that was done to you, bringing people into the fray that could care less about this whole affair?
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Agreed. The gauntlet threads are private and I have no means of reading them (even as a moderator) so I speak here hypothetically (and thus can not be breaching a confidence!)
    I think her comment was just to jolt people out to get a larger perspective, not to actually bring those threads to light publicly when it was decided long ago that they would never see the light of day. I thought that was rather implicit in the context of the whole thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    IT IS not the same, gauntlet and modbox. I only feel like I should point this out because as far as I can tell^ I'm the only one who noticed. It is comparing the mayor's office to a bowling club. That is all.
    I think a lot of people are noticing your points, Jack. But I know the implicit "moral high ground" stance is putting me off, and maybe others as well. There have been those who were genuinely hurt/concerned and approached things without sticking themselves up on a pedestal. But regardless of your content, a lot of your attitude, as Haight pointed out early in this thread, seem instead to just want to stir the pot and stoke the flames and set yourself up as some bastion of virtue. Right or wrong, I know I don't want to bother with that.
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    Huh, people used the gauntlet threads to gossip? People suck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Huh, people used the gauntlet threads to gossip? People suck!
    Eh. I don't want you to think that the "gossip" was more than what it was. Admins moderated all of the threads and made sure that there was no forum gossip occuring. However, I can only speak for my team (the awesome blue team), but there was discussion of other members in the context of each challenge.

    For instance, when we were making our team's rap, we brought up possible topics to incorporate into it, which included some popular quirks that other members have. Some of our ideas were not "nice" to be honest. Most of those ones didn't make it into the rap.

    I would imagine that this is true for a lot of teams. I'm confident that the admins wouldn't let a team outright gossip about forum members, which is why the secret forums were moderated in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    as Haight pointed out early in this thread, seem instead to just want to stir the pot and stoke the flames and set yourself up as some bastion of virtue.
    I apologize for having integrity. What got to me, and others, even if they don't say so publicly, was, and is, the continued "It wasn't that bad!" misdirection. I wouldn't be saying anything if everyone would just shut up about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    IT IS not the same, gauntlet and modbox. I only feel like I should point this out because as far as I can tell^ I'm the only one who noticed. It is comparing the mayor's office to a bowling club. That is all.
    No, you aren't the only one who noticed this.

    You are exactly right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    What got to me, and others, even if they don't say so publicly, was, and is, the continued "It wasn't that bad!" misdirection. I wouldn't be saying anything if everyone would just shut up about it.
    Agree again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    I agree, they aren't the same thing. I would support the mayor's rights to be rude about his constituents in private, by the way.
    That'd be the same as PM or email or AIM, not moderator's forum, at least that is what seems logical to me.

    There's been a lot of deflecting. The statement is made over and over "Everyone is not going to like everyone and everyone gossips and badmouths"

    I don't think the issue is *what* was talked about so much as *where* ... being done in a moderator forum and so easily cut and paste as a representation of what the mods allow in their forum.

    If it had been some private PM between two mods that got into the wrong hands, it would not be the same type of situation. That's just the way it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    There's been a lot of deflecting. The statement is made over and over "Everyone is not going to like everyone and everyone gossips and badmouths"

    I don't think the issue is *what* was talked about so much as *where* ... being done in a moderator forum and so easily cut and paste as a representation of what the mods allow in their forum.

    If it had been some private PM between two mods that got into the wrong hands, it would not be the same type of situation. That's just the way it seems.
    Well, that is one opinion. If you look through the thread, you'll see that people have a slightly different take.

    -Jeffster, amongst others, thinks it is irrelevant where it happened and that bad mouthing was the problem.
    -Others thing it's ok to talk crap, but not to breach the privacy.
    -Others that it might be ok to talk crap, but only if it is not a madmin doing it (it's a breach of trust, whether by PM or not for a madmin)
    -Others that it's the specific issue of bad mouthing in a madmin forum is a breach of trust duties
    -Others (like yourself?) that it's just bad administration - it's the fact that it should be obvious it will get out because it's so easy to cut and paste from a forum (although why that is much different from shared PMs I am not so sure).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    -Others that it's the specific issue of bad mouthing in a madmin forum is a breach of trust duties
    -Others (like yourself?) that it's just bad administration - it's the fact that it should be obvious it will get out because it's so easy to cut and paste from a forum (although why that is much different from shared PMs I am not so sure).
    It's a breech of trust duties most of all.

    PM's done as "member" to "member" as private chat not mod to mod as in the mod forum would be different. The person wouldn't be in their moderator "hat" so to speak.

    In the mod forum, mods are really representing the forum and the conduct there is a reflection of the forum leadership attitudes and what they will and will not allow.

    A moderator sending PM privately do not have this same connotation, unless they are PMing under the guise of their moderator duties when the same rules of conduct would apply as for the mod forum.

    That's just my view of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajah View Post
    I don't think this is an appropriate comment. The issue isn't Gauntlet threads - what the people there discussed is irrelevant to the present conversation about your modbox discussions being disseminated to people on this board. One of the issues we're talking about is how it feels to have that trust breached - your private comments being made public. Your allusion to the Gauntlet threads, period, threatens to breach privacy in the same way.
    I made that comment because of the hypocrisy I hear being voiced by some of the people who don't like the fact that madmins didn't have shining and gleaming comments to say about some members here. There is some commentary in the Gauntlet threads where other members have less than stellar comments about other members and some of those same people reproaching madmin behavior. And you're right, that was the allusion I was making. For me this is about breach of privacy, not the content or lack of niceness of the comments made by madmins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    It's a breech of trust duties most of all.

    PM's done as "member" to "member" as private chat not mod to mod as in the mod forum would be different. The person wouldn't be in their moderator "hat" so to speak.

    In the mod forum, mods are really representing the forum and the conduct there is a reflection of the forum leadership attitudes and what they will and will not allow.

    A moderator sending PM privately do not have this same connotation, unless they are PMing under the guise of their moderator duties when the same rules of conduct would apply as for the mod forum.

    That's just my view of it.
    Could you just clarify?

    Is it that a moderator can make bad comments, but should not use an insecure place?
    Or is that a moderator should not make bad comments?

    (because your last two posts inferred both)

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