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    Seriously people, the man isn't even here to defend himself. This is getting really tasteless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Seriously people, the man isn't even here to defend himself. This is getting really tasteless.
    youre right...i don't mean to call the dude a lurch...that was tasteless...i don't even know anything about any of this...was more responding to the "idea" of whats being presented here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Seriously people, the man isn't even here to defend himself. This is getting really tasteless.
    Seriously, nothing's really been said. lol

    I always wish the best for people, so of course I wish Mac and his family well. Also, if we weren't meant to discuss anything, then my guess is this thread would be locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlily View Post
    Seriously, nothing's really been said. lol
    No, but plenty is being insinuated, whether it be the truth or not. This thread was created to protect *everyone's* privacy, including Mac's. Yet somehow it is just fine to make insinuations, and gossip about this man without him being even here to debunk or defend what is just hear-say, rumors, overactive imaginations or actually true. Call me crazy, but from where I sit, that is fucking slander.

    Somehow entertainment value and gossip mongering is more important than someone's privacy or even just the plain facts. Is it really that hard to just accept that the fact is that this stuff is on a need-to-know-basis and we do *NOT* need to know??

    And it's not just in this thread. It's *every* time something dramatic happens on this forum (or rather, something that get somehow turned into drama) that people get slandered, speculations fly wildly and its a fucking trainwreck.

    Frankly, I feel it is degrading to the people involved, tasteless and utterly disgusting. And the worst part is that it just never ends.


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    Whoa. Amargith is mad.as.hell!

    I've been spared the gory behind the scenes, but . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    This thread was created to protect *everyone's* privacy, including Mac's.
    Was it really for everyone or for the alleged victim[s]? Serious question.

    Call me crazy, but from where I sit, that is fucking slander.
    The word you're looking for is libel, not slander, and it only qualifies as such if false facts are alleged, regardless of the party's availability for refutation. I'll pass on calling you crazy though. You're riled up enough as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    No, but plenty is being insinuated, whether it be the truth or not. This thread was created to protect *everyone's* privacy, including Mac's. Yet somehow it is just fine to make insinuations, and gossip about this man without him being even here to debunk or defend what is just hear-say, rumors, overactive imaginations or actually true. Call me crazy, but from where I sit, that is fucking slander.

    Somehow entertainment value and gossip mongering is more important than someone's privacy or even just the plain facts. Is it really that hard to just accept that the fact is that this stuff is on a need-to-know-basis and we do *NOT* need to know??

    And it's not just in this thread. It's *every* time something dramatic happens on this forum (or rather, something that get somehow turned into drama) that people get slandered, speculations fly wildly and its a fucking trainwreck.

    Frankly, I feel it is degrading to the people involved, tasteless and utterly disgusting. And the worst part is that it just never ends.


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    Amargith, I can empathize with your feelings here, but I'm not sure how else this whole thing could have gone.

    If Haight hadn't created this thread, some member would have, in order to complain about the decision.

    And as soon as the thread got created, you automatically have (1) Haight not being able to reveal specific reasons for Mac's removal and saying, "Trust me," (2) some people saying, "Okay, I guess, it's your forum / we trust you," (3) other people saying, "We can't trust this decision / don't trust you, at least not without more information; why was this done?", and (4) people in the know or having a good idea what happened not having a legitimate way to respond since, to put all the details out on the table would just make things even nastier, but meanwhile without details people who don't know anything about the situation will continue to argue about the decision and throw around their OWN pointless (and incorrect) accusations.

    Would it be any better to create a list of specific incidents that would embarss the people involved further, by your reasoning? Because I am certain such a list could be created. No one wants to go there, it's because people are trying to be decent and just don't know what to do.

    Bottom line: It was a no-winner for everyone involved as soon as Mac was banned, and hopefully it will just blow over soon enough and life will move on, as there's no other way to draw things to a close.

    To be honest, my experience with Mac is that he would just avoid this whole thread altogether (at least in terms of providing a substantial/serious response to it), except maybe to just say it's no one's business and he doesn't want to discuss it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    Whoa. Amargith is mad.as.hell!

    I've been spared the gory behind the scenes, but . . .


    Was it really for everyone or for the alleged victim[s]? Serious question.


    The word you're looking for is libel, not slander, and it only qualifies as such if false facts are alleged, regardless of the party's availability for refutation. I'll pass on calling you crazy though. You're riled up enough as is.
    Thanks for the vocabulary lesson, I knew that it was coming as I'm unfamiliar with that kind of specific jargon in English (aka, I've never had to translate legal stuff into English )

    As for the privacy concern, I sincerely hope it was meant for *everyone* included, meaning Mac as well. It should be.
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    Amargith, I can empathize with your feelings here, but I'm not sure how else this whole thing could have gone.
    Sadly, you are right. It still is disheartening. And it should be commented on.

    To be honest, my experience with Mac is that he would just avoid this whole thread altogether (at least in terms of providing a substantial/serious response to it), except maybe to just say it's no one's business and he doesn't want to discuss it.
    Perhaps you are right. As to the bolded: it truly is no one's business except those involved. And as I've said what I wanted to, I think I'll follow his hypothetical example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    Whoa. Amargith is mad.as.hell!

    I kinda like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    I've been spared the gory behind the scenes, but . . .


    Was it really for everyone or for the alleged victim[s]? Serious question.
    Not sure of this reasoning. Alledged victim/s would benefit from this thread?


    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    The word you're looking for is libel, not slander, and it only qualifies as such if false facts are alleged, regardless of the party's availability for refutation. I'll pass on calling you crazy though. You're riled up enough as is.
    False facts *scratches head*

    Vala makes good points though.
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    Perhaps someone should start a loveable perverts thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post
    I kinda like it.
    Ditto. The openness of it is a rare treat.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelenOfTroy View Post

    Not sure of this reasoning. Alledged victim/s would benefit from this thread?
    Not from the thread, which was a necessity, but from not having the allegations hashed out in a public forum.

    False facts *scratches head*
    This might help the itch.
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