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Old 06-19-2007, 05:21 PM   #41 (permalink)
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3. Approaching other peoples' problems with solutions, rather than with empathy
My ISFJ wife has taught me a lot about this. At the end of the day ... if she vents ... I try to giver her sympathy/empathy instead of trying to solve her problems. It turns out to be a lot less stressful for me, as I could not solve her work-related problems anyway.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:22 PM   #42 (permalink)
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so if you are sitting down at a table talking to someone, what happens is that you'll find a way to assert your dominance over them and their ideas. If they say something you don't like, it isn't just rational... the arrogance comes out in how you dismiss the other person. Not as a permanent thing, but in how you convey that dismissal.
What about debate?

What I don't like is that it looks to me like you're saying this is how INTs interact when faced with conflicting views. All the time. "They're not rational therefore I can treat them poorly."

When confronted with just such a situation I may give that person a look - and it's not a pretty one, I'll admit. But I bite my tongue and I change the subject. I will not engage.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:27 PM   #43 (permalink)
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What about debate?
There are times when it is good, of course. You get a lot of it at INTPc, though you'll also see INTPs go overboard there, even with each other.

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What I don't like is that it looks to me like you're saying this is how INTs interact when faced with conflicting views. All the time. "They're not rational therefore I can treat them poorly."
Very little is "all the time", so no, I don't mean it that way. There are those that are like that all the time and those that are rarely like that. There is just the tendency to do this - a rather strong one. Not to mention personality is probably a gradient of strengths, so not everyone will be as strongly INT (expressed or inherent, depending on your theory of personality).

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When confronted with just such a situation I may give that person a look - and it's not a pretty one, I'll admit. But I bite my tongue and I change the subject. I will not engage.
Which is probably good But what you are saying is that you still do it... Restraint doesn't change the underlying nature...

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I give up.





























I didn't want to let you down.
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I give up.

I didn't want to let you down.
Hah hah... I figured. But does that mean you agree....? Probably not INTs very rarely agree after a dispute because neither will back down... Curious that
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Hah hah... I figured. But does that mean you agree....? Probably not INTs very rarely agree after a dispute because neither will back down... Curious that
This is one reason why I'm writing a white paper for auditors.

I've learned that there are times where agreeing can be fun. Then there are other times where I just decide not to argue anymore, which is agreeing that the dispute happened and that we need peace more than we need discontent.
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*Warning Over-dramatization* ~I get the feeling this thread is a set-up let me help~
3 reasons INTXs suck:
1. I'm so logical it hurts. I must be as complicated as possible when communicating to make sure no one knows whether I am right or wrong unless they are willing to break out a dictionary. Don't worry you could never be as smart as me anyway!
2. I'm totally and completely misunderstood *sniffle*. I cannot however do anything to change that as it will infringe upon my autonomy!! Who needs other people anyway? It's so illogical to want friends.
3. I'm sorry but no, I cannot take your feelings into consideration before I speak.
Feelings are bad news avoid them at all costs!!! Lucky for me I don't have any!!!
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*Warning Over-dramatization* ~I get the feeling this thread is a set-up let me help~
Aw....you can trust anything someone from management says here....
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*Warning Over-dramatization* ~I get the feeling this thread is a set-up let me help~
3 reasons INTXs suck:
1. I'm so logical it hurts. I must be as complicated as possible when communicating to make sure no one knows whether I am right or wrong unless they are willing to break out a dictionary. Don't worry you could never be as smart as me anyway!
2. I'm totally and completely misunderstood *sniffle*. I cannot however do anything to change that as it will infringe upon my autonomy!! Who needs other people anyway? It's so illogical to want friends.
3. I'm sorry but no, I cannot take your feelings into consideration before I speak.
Feelings are bad news avoid them at all costs!!! Lucky for me I don't have any!!!
hehehe Lookin' is funny!

She should play like this more often.
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1. It seems like everyone else gets guidance on some level from someone on how to grow in society, and as a little INTJ girl, I had no clue what was going on. I was a slow starter. I wasn't dumb, but it took me a long while to Hack The System.
(I feel competent now.)

So, Lack of Role Models. I think someone already mentioned this, though.


2. People tell you you are weird, but they don't have good reasons, often. This causes some minor identity issues during early adolescence.

3. I'm very selfish. I don't want to be, and I make effort to not be, but that's the truth.
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