INTP vs ENTP. War of objectivity!

[Magic Poriferan]

This is a subject that first came about around a year ago or so for me.
I was trying to determine what would be the most objective type in the MBTI, and I felt confident in my accuracy when I decided that NTP would be more objective than any other three letters(to which I had some agreement from others that I know).

But I was then forced to determine if the ENTP or the INTP would be more objective, and I have been uncertain to this day.
The INTP could be assumed more subjective because of their rather self-contained means of thinking. We could argue that you'd need to pay more attention to the outer world to be objective, like an ENTP.

But look at it this way...

The ENTP gets much more caught up in the events around it. What I'm getting at here, is that you can sometimes be so deep in something that you lose sight of it. The INTP has the advantage of the "man from mars" effect. Social pressure and engineering should not have much affect on an INTP, where as they should on an ENTP.


In general, one might still be conceptually leaning toward the ENTP on this, but my question is also partly based on personal experience.
In my experience, the INTPs have been more objective than the ENTPs.
Is that just a fluke?

I guess the first function could make no difference at all, resulting in a tie.

[SolitaryWalker]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

This is a subject that first came about around a year ago or so for me.
I was trying to determine what would be the most objective type in the MBTI, and I felt confident in my accuracy when I decided that NTP would be more objective than any other three letters(to which I had some agreement from others that I know).

But I was then forced to determine if the ENTP or the INTP would be more objective, and I have been uncertain to this day.
The INTP could be assumed more subjective because of their rather self-contained means of thinking. We could argue that you'd need to pay more attention to the outer world to be objective, like an ENTP.

But look at it this way...

The ENTP gets much more caught up in the events around it. What I'm getting at here, is that you can sometimes be so deep in something that you lose sight of it. The INTP has the advantage of the "man from mars" effect. Social pressure and engineering should not have much affect on an INTP, where as they should on an ENTP.


In general, one might still be conceptually leaning toward the ENTP on this, but my question is also partly based on personal experience.
In my experience, the INTPs have been more objective than the ENTPs.
Is that just a fluke?

I guess the first function could make no difference at all, resulting in a tie.

INTP is more objective because of the stronger Thinking preferrence.

[Magic Poriferan]

Oh, yes.... that.

Using that logic, that should mean an ENTJ is as objective as an INTP?

[SolitaryWalker]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

Oh, yes.... that.

Using that logic, that should mean an ENTJ is as objective as an INTP?

Slightly less, because Te is further away from the quintissence of Thinking than Ti. All introverted functions are stronger than the extroverted because the essence of all cognitive process inheres within the unconscious mind. Introverts are closer to the unconscious because they are more internally focused.

[white]

Speaking from personal experience from 27 years living as an ENTP with an INTP:

I'd put my money on the INTP.

Reason: While both are fascinated by thoughts and possibilities, the ENTP is more likely to enjoy just having a multitude of shiny possibilities to play with, vs the INTP, who's more likely to toss and turn and pry open a single, golden sphere. So while both think objectively, I'd say the INTP objectively thinks things through, while the ENTP just has objective thoughts diarrhoea.

[white]

Originally Posted by BlueWing

Slightly less, because Te is further away from the quintissence of Thinking than Ti. All introverted functions are stronger than the extroverted because the essence of all cognitive process inheres within the unconscious mind. Introverts are closer to the unconscious because they are more internally focused.

That's an interesting one - what about the INTJ vs INTP then?

[Night]

Originally Posted by aelan

That's an interesting one - what about the INTJ vs INTP then?

Your typical, run-of-the-mill INTJ will probably lose to an equally-normal INTP.

[Magic Poriferan]

Yes... the INTJ would definitely lose.

I still question, I mean severely question, the part of the MBTI system that arbitrarily dictates that J and P are reversed for I's...
I mean, it seems both weird and unhelpful at the same time... and perhaps just plainly untrue.

Does it really seem like an INTP is more focused on the Judging function and an INTJ is more focused on the Perceiving function? It doesn't to me.
Aside from that, why not just switch the names and call the INTP the INTJ and the INTJ the INTP?
Am I the only one that thinks it seems extremely pointless to have a so-called "perceiver" focus more on the judging function?
Just seems like a flaw in naming convention...

...if it's even true.

[SolitaryWalker]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

Yes... the INTJ would definitely lose.

I still question, I mean severely question, the part of the MBTI system that arbitrarily dictates that J and P are reversed for I's...
I mean, it seems both weird and unhelpful at the same time... and perhaps just plainly untrue.

Does it really seem like an INTP is more focused on the Judging function and an INTJ is more focused on the Perceiving function? It doesn't to me.
Aside from that, why not just switch the names and call the INTP the INTJ and the INTJ the INTP?
Am I the only one that thinks it seems extremely pointless to have a so-called "perceiver" focus more on the judging function?
Just seems like a flaw in naming convention...

...if it's even true.

The INTJ would 'lose' because he is less objective( less T energy) due to the secondary nature of T, and extroversion of Thinking in comparison to INTP's dominant Introverted Thinking.

[Night]

Originally Posted by BlueWing

The INTJ would 'lose' because he is less objective( less T energy) due to the secondary nature of T, and extroversion of Thinking in comparison to INTP's dominant Introverted Thinking.

Precisely.