Really Unintelligent NTs

Usehername · 10-23-2007, 03:17 AM

Has anyone ever met some really not-intelligent NTs? I would be interested to hear people's perception of some really unintelligent NTs.

Like, when you picture the lowest socio-economic family (not to equate intelligence with low socio-economic status, because clearly that is too one-dimensional and ignorant of complexities to be true, but they do have some correlation), you always envision the parents as S types who just have no concept of what's going on but can make some meals and scrape together enough cash to keep existing. But what about NTs who just don't get it?

What kinds of crazy things could they manifest? I'm sort of envisioning comedies. I think it would be different to see inside a dumb NT's world.

What would it be like?

htb · 10-23-2007, 03:19 AM

DURRHH I DUNNO

Maybe -- spelling errors online, crude strategy or design in person?

cafe · 10-23-2007, 03:25 AM

I have known NTs who are not stupid, but do stupid things because they cannot let go of their beautiful theory in the face of reality. They cause so much damage to their lives they'd actually be better off if they were stupid, but pragmatic.

Jennifer · 10-23-2007, 03:26 AM

I am sitting here scratching my head. I can't think of any "stupid" NTs per se that I've actually met.

The N+T factor really does help "bump" someone out of the world around them and help them to see beyond it, which contributes to intelligence because they see more possibilities than what a concrete person might. And it contributes to a desire to learn without necessarily even having a good reason to -- another plus when it comes to intelligence.

Usually "dumb" NTs get embroiled in paranoid theories of reality, or become really self-absorbed and thus disconnected from reality... making them "dumb." But it's not dumb as in "sheer brainpower," it's dumb in terms of not priming their pump with good information.

Also, some of the ones who are stupid are stupid in terms of "people intelligence" -- they understand how systems work, but they don't have any life experience that is necessary to understand people... which leaves them at a serious disadvantage in life.

I'd love to hear of any specific examples anyone can muster, since I'm drawing a blank.

Usehername · 10-23-2007, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cafe

I have known NTs who are not stupid, but do stupid things because they cannot let go of their beautiful theory in the face of reality. They cause so much damage to their lives they'd actually be better off if they were stupid, but pragmatic.

I can totally see that. I've done that, but hopefully not to the degree that it's a trend.

JAVO · 10-23-2007, 03:29 AM

No, no one on this forum has ever met me if that's what you're getting at.

Randomnity · 10-23-2007, 03:30 AM

My dad is an NT (ENTj) who is very intelligent but has totally destroyed his life as a result of a series of very unwise choices (in my opinion, anyway) associated with some hardcore depression and anger issues. Does that count as dumb?

If you mean in an IQ sense, I don't know of any ridiculously stupid ones. However I only know...probably 5 or 6. And I don't really associate much with anyone I'd consider stupid, of any type, so my samples are a bit biased.

Metamorphosis · 10-23-2007, 03:33 AM

I've never met an NT who is intellectually dumb. As others have stated, the problem arises when they do not know how to apply it properly (or they may be dumb as a brick concerning street smarts).

Athenian200 · 10-23-2007, 03:41 AM

If an NT grew up in a place with a very limited language... and no sort of abstract ideas to speak of, then they might be dumb, or at least would be unable to express whatever they knew.

For instance, what if they were peasants who weren't allowed to read, who'd never been more than a few miles from home, maybe worked on a farm in medieval times or something? They might be dumb.

As for whether I've known any? Well, no, but then I don't know any NT's either, except for one history teacher.

Zergling · 10-23-2007, 03:51 AM

Various internet places seem to have a lot of people who at least act stupid on the internet, and who seem to have some interested in general in how some types of system work, figuring out things longer term, etc.

On INTPcentral there are a lot of people who, based on their posts, don't really have anything that they are particularly smart at, they seem to be below average compared to most people I see day to day.

10-23-2007, 03:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Usehername Pwning Life Since 1986 Join Date: May 2007 Type: INTJ Location: XC ski and fort-building heaven Posts: 1,975	Really Unintelligent NTs Has anyone ever met some really not-intelligent NTs? I would be interested to hear people's perception of some really unintelligent NTs. Like, when you picture the lowest socio-economic family (not to equate intelligence with low socio-economic status, because clearly that is too one-dimensional and ignorant of complexities to be true, but they do have some correlation), you always envision the parents as S types who just have no concept of what's going on but can make some meals and scrape together enough cash to keep existing. But what about NTs who just don't get it? What kinds of crazy things could they manifest? I'm sort of envisioning comedies. I think it would be different to see inside a dumb NT's world. What would it be like? __________________ You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason once accepted, despite your changing moods. C.S. Lewis

10-23-2007, 03:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
cafe AWOL Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INFj Location: depressed midwest Posts: 4,930	I have known NTs who are not stupid, but do stupid things because they cannot let go of their beautiful theory in the face of reality. They cause so much damage to their lives they'd actually be better off if they were stupid, but pragmatic. __________________ This is one of the miracles of love: It gives a power of seeing through its own enchantments and yet not being disenchanted. ~C. S. Lewis

10-23-2007, 03:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jennifer The Doctor is IN Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INtP Location: Free at last. Posts: 14,307	I am sitting here scratching my head. I can't think of any "stupid" NTs per se that I've actually met. The N+T factor really does help "bump" someone out of the world around them and help them to see beyond it, which contributes to intelligence because they see more possibilities than what a concrete person might. And it contributes to a desire to learn without necessarily even having a good reason to -- another plus when it comes to intelligence. Usually "dumb" NTs get embroiled in paranoid theories of reality, or become really self-absorbed and thus disconnected from reality... making them "dumb." But it's not dumb as in "sheer brainpower," it's dumb in terms of not priming their pump with good information. Also, some of the ones who are stupid are stupid in terms of "people intelligence" -- they understand how systems work, but they don't have any life experience that is necessary to understand people... which leaves them at a serious disadvantage in life. I'd love to hear of any specific examples anyone can muster, since I'm drawing a blank. __________________ Blog: Seasons of Mist

10-23-2007, 03:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
Metamorphosis 5w6 ^8 Join Date: May 2007 Type: INTJ Location: TEXAS! the state formerly known as a country Posts: 2,860	I've never met an NT who is intellectually dumb. As others have stated, the problem arises when they do not know how to apply it properly (or they may be dumb as a brick concerning street smarts). __________________ The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. - Henry David Thoreau Truths are a useless fiction. - Nietzsche Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them. - David Hume "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

10-23-2007, 03:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
Athenian200 Fragmented Being Join Date: Jul 2007 Type: InfJ Location: C:\ Posts: 5,781	If an NT grew up in a place with a very limited language... and no sort of abstract ideas to speak of, then they might be dumb, or at least would be unable to express whatever they knew. For instance, what if they were peasants who weren't allowed to read, who'd never been more than a few miles from home, maybe worked on a farm in medieval times or something? They might be dumb. As for whether I've known any? Well, no, but then I don't know any NT's either, except for one history teacher. __________________ "I'm not much more than an interpreter, and not very good at telling stories. Well, not at making them interesting, anyways." --C3-P0, Star Wars IV: A New Hope

10-23-2007, 03:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
htb Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Type: ENTJ Posts: 1,375	DURRHH I DUNNO Maybe -- spelling errors online, crude strategy or design in person?

10-23-2007, 03:29 AM	#6 (permalink)
JAVO Heading to my cabin Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: NP Location: Ohio Posts: 2,255	No, no one on this forum has ever met me if that's what you're getting at.

10-23-2007, 03:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Randomnity insert random title here Join Date: May 2007 Type: ISTP Posts: 1,455	My dad is an NT (ENTj) who is very intelligent but has totally destroyed his life as a result of a series of very unwise choices (in my opinion, anyway) associated with some hardcore depression and anger issues. Does that count as dumb? If you mean in an IQ sense, I don't know of any ridiculously stupid ones. However I only know...probably 5 or 6. And I don't really associate much with anyone I'd consider stupid, of any type, so my samples are a bit biased.

10-23-2007, 03:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
Zergling Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: INTx Location: Champaign, Ill Posts: 1,378	Various internet places seem to have a lot of people who at least act stupid on the internet, and who seem to have some interested in general in how some types of system work, figuring out things longer term, etc. On INTPcentral there are a lot of people who, based on their posts, don't really have anything that they are particularly smart at, they seem to be below average compared to most people I see day to day.

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