the moral NTs

[Jack Flak]

Fi's actin up! Get the hose!

[entropie]

When I was around the age of 10, there was that tabletop game I wanted badly. It costed around $150 by that time.

Once my mum send me to the backery to get some bread and she gave me her banking card so that I can get the money before I buy the bread.

Well I got the money + the change I needed for my desired tabletop game. A few days later my dad asked me, if I had stolen money. I wasnt aware of banking statements by the time. I improvised and invented a story about a guy that forced me with a knife to get the money for him, while I was at the bank. I really made up a coherent story.

My very objective but morally inclined istp father, pretended to buy the story and took me to the police. There I should present it to an investigator. The hearing happened and I repeated my story. The investigator listened and then started asking question that I could not stand. To many gaps in my story, finally brought me to collapse and to admit I stole the money.

From that day on the relationship between my father and I should take years to recover. I guess I am pretty morally burned through the way I was raised

[Jack Flak]

Wow, that's harsch.

[entropie]

Yea, I learned much about moral through my father. The only problem I have today is, my father's SP moral is pretty all-or-nothing, do-it-or-die. My NF girlfriend wants to morally fine tune me nowadays sometime, so that I get rid of that Sylvester Stallone limited emotion-logic.

I by the way, feel pretty much gangbanged. But as long as there is music, beer + the switch to shut off your head, I let people talk

[The_Liquid_Laser]

What brand of morality to you hold yourselves and others accountable to?
I'm a Christian, so I hold myself to Christian morality. Specifically I try to live by the principle "love your neighbor as yourself". I only hold other people accountable to the law (and even then I usually let things slide unless they do something serious like kill someone).


Do people trust you?
Yes.

Do you consider yourself trustworthy?
Yes.

[Lateralus]

What brand of morality to you hold yourselves and others accountable to?

-I don't hold others accountable to anything. I have my own mishmash of values that I follow, some remnants of my Christian background, others I've come up with on my own.


Do people trust you?

-Yep, if anything, I suffer from being too honest, sharing things I shouldn't.


Do you consider yourself trustworthy?

-Yep, see above.

[Edahn]

Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer

Generally, I look at it from a legal standpoint. If it's illegal, I don't do it because I am aware of the consequences. Or I am aware of undesirable consequences that are internal. That's what stops me from acting, because I can see all the consequences. And all consequences except for one are undesirable. My desired outcome in almost all situations is like striving for a hole in one. If I miss it, I'm doomed.

I'm all in favor of the "whatever works" approach, but I must also protect myself from the consequences. If I wanted to, I would have no guilt from observing the quirks of the rules and working to the objective that way.

But most of all, I want to find the most efficient way of reaching a goal, or somehow drawing the power to gather self-confidence -- in my case, that comes from making others feel worthless, but there again, I anticipate a certain reaction in my head (usually for someone to cry and feel weak), but the reaction I may actually get is lash of anger, which will then make me feel weak. Naturally, I must also work within the legal limits here, too.

You should read about Kohlberg's Moral Stages of Development. I think you'd find it interesting.

Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
1. Obedience and punishment orientation
(How can I avoid punishment?)
2. Self-interest orientation
(What's in it for me?)
Level 2 (Conventional)
3. Interpersonal accord and conformity
(The good boy/good girl attitude)
4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation
(Law and order morality)
Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
5. Social contract orientation
6. Universal ethical principles
(Principled conscience)

[bluemonday]

I believe in moral relativism - but only for myself, everyone else needs to obey the ruleZ OK?
I don't think I've ever done anything immoral - my conscience is more of an asspain than the J-ist of Js.

People don't trust me - but that's because they're stupid and immoral. For some reason they think I'm too good to be true and I'm must be hiding some dark and dirty secrets. If I am, they are very well hidden.

I'm very unreliable, but totally trustworthy (thinks: is an untrustworthy person ever gonna put their hand up there?)
I do lie quite shamelessly tho' - does that count?

[entropie]

You peed in the pool, people dont like guys who pee in pools !

[bluemonday]

Originally Posted by entropie

You peed in the pool, people dont like guys who pee in pools !

good job i'm not a guy then