ever asked "do we really have to do anything in this world?"

[niki]

for NF folks (especially NFPs)
just been wondering lately,
after seeing this 'crazy and complex' humanity, life & this world,
don't u often wonder if we really have to do anything in life? (ie: you often ask yourself: "what's the point in doing all of this? does it really matter in the END anyway?" a lot)
because the 'illness' of NFP especially : once we're get focused in details, we soon just start mind-wandering endlessly again without stopping, and soon just easily lost interest in keeping-up with the details!

and plus, we all know that the 'details' of anything sometimes, or often must involved with the 'dirty' jobs that we probably dislike to do , ie: money-talks, bills, contracts, dealing with obnoxious people who probably want to take advantage of us (that's why we gotta be as cunning as them), 'fake' promotion or marketing, stuff like that..

and what would you do once you feel this kind of feelings?

i mean, don't u feel a bit 'shitty' and 'left-behind' when you see how most people (SJs especially) seems so 'easy' in determined & focused in doing their job, while we always lost interest easily & hard to kept focused in anything. yet we often kept doing it :/

[Rachelinpa]

Yes! I was just thinking this same thought the other day. It's completely depressing. And, I wonder, what am I really offering anyone? And then I wonder, is my lot in life just to feel deeply and think deeply about everything? Seems fruitless.

And, that's when I do a shot! ... or several!...

Haha. No.

I have taken on the mindset that the purpose of life is to enjoy it (and to enable others to enjoy it also). And so, instead of getting caught up in my thoughts and feelings (which is usually tiring and not fun), I try to focus on what I love doing or how I love being and simultaneously help others to do the same.

[prplchknz]

I have a hard time just doing things, especially if ultimately they won't matter. But what I hate is those types that get things done criticizing me for being lazy or not doing anything. I do do stuff just not silly things like keep my room organized or dust.

[nolla]

Yeah, this is one of my major issues. I think I have gotten in some sort of balance with my worthlessness, though. There really is no point in anything, but that doesn't bother me anymore. I try to "optimize" my life, so that I have the least amount of stuff that I don't want and most the stuff I want.

The SJs go on with their routine, and in some way I envy them for not seeing it from my perspective. It is ridiculously hard for me to do simple things. I'd rather do nothing. On the other hand I wonder what is going on with them. How can they just push the button and never get tired of it? What are their goals? Is life really as easy for them as it seems to be?

[Clownmaster]

The only thing we have to do is die.

[Kyrielle]

Originally Posted by nolla

The SJs go on with their routine, and in some way I envy them for not seeing it from my perspective. It is ridiculously hard for me to do simple things. I'd rather do nothing. On the other hand I wonder what is going on with them. How can they just push the button and never get tired of it? What are their goals? Is life really as easy for them as it seems to be?

Actually, some of them DO have the same problem. I think everyone at some point must grapple with the "point of everything." However, I believe it manifests itself differently in each type. Some may arrive at that point sooner than others, though.

[nolla]

Originally Posted by Kyrielle

Actually, some of them DO have the same problem.

Can you give an example?

[disregard]

Originally Posted by niki

what's the point in doing all of this? does it really matter in the END anyway?

Doing things provides an end (pleasure, sense of accomplishment, challenge, money, aesthetic satisfaction, etc.) during life, which is more important to me than an end "in the end".

[Lizzy1813]

I feel like I'm wandering around, trying to follow some sort of dream/desire/goal-thingy, and my SJ parents don't understand how that is for me...I get really depressed with them constantly not understanding me, and when I bring up our personality differences, they say something like, "So, you're type is the lazy bum who our type has to take care of?" I usually wind up either saying something I'll regret later, or crying by myself...

SJs just don't understand...

[Kyrielle]

Originally Posted by nolla

Can you give an example?

Sure. My mother (ESFJ) tends to identify herself with her job. When she lost her job, she fell into a period of intense questioning of herself--something she does not often do quite so deeply. She wondered what her purpose was in the first place and felt miserable at not ever succeeding in her original dreams (she wanted to be a PE teacher or a child psychologist). She had to figure out where her job ended and where she began and who she was without her job. Now she's better, but still battles with trying to keep her identity from being sucked into what she does.

I can see why it would appear to others on the outside that she's utterly happy just doing what she has to do. Much of the time she is, and I think that's where things are different. She has a much stronger sense of duty than I do. If it has to be done, she'll do it and try to be cheerful about it. But I know on the inside life isn't neccessarily any easier for her than it is for me or anyone else.