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    I think a lot of the description reads like me at a younger age - especially adolescence. In adolescence I was sort of trapped by my own stubborn fantasy world. But I learned to think my way rationally out of it, which led to an interest in philosophy and logic. Then I went through a college phase of being very emotionally detached and scoring pure T with no F when I would take any psychological test. But that didn't really fit me. When I was in college, I cared passionately about integrating emotion with reason. Somehow the test questions were too dichotomous to capture this quest.

    There is one online test I still come out INTP rather than INFP. Another one, I come out INTJ. The one where I come out INTP has more shades of gray in the questions. The questions are not so either-or. The one where I come out INTJ has more about behavior and less about preferences in the questions.

    I worked for eight years in an IS&S department doing web design, programming and systems support and troubleshooting. When I left, I had come full circle and been able to solve every problem I had set out to solve, learn everything I had set out to learn, and accomplish everything I had set out to accomplish.

    This in spite of the fact I had serious issues with motivation until I learned how to be neither hot nor cold but lukewarm. Being hot got me in trouble. Being cold made me pretty much "lose my power". Being lukewarm was boring. There were times I would get "down in a hole" and have such a hard time getting out of it. I would have trouble concentrating. I would feel bored. I would feel tired and sleepy and sometimes even feel like I was about to black out. If I could concentrate on something long enough, I could climb out of the hole. The days when I was in a hole all day were a boring hell. I would welcome it when somebody would call with a problem. Ah, adrenaline! Getting up and walking!

    I was happy with a whole project on my hands, a whole system to implement, often able to work feverishly at times like that. The times I would be down in the hole would be the times between projects, returning to a program that was 90% done. That last 10% of debugging would remain. I would have grown long since bored with the program. It would be one of those things the user needed right away until I had a question or required a decision. Then the user would not get back to me for months. I would have to follow up. The trail would grow cold in the program. I would return to it between other things. Bleh. But I slogged away, and it was one of those things I liked being able to do more than I actually liked doing it.

    I found a comfort in doing something that did not make me feel as if I was compromising in some way. I would not be able to do art or journalism as a profession, in spite of my talent. Art and writing are things I have to do for love, not money. Programming and systems support was something I could do for money without feeling like some kind of intellectual or artistic whore. But it definitely was not my childhood fantasy at all.

    I probably picked up the knack for troubleshooting a system from my INTJ husband, who would often tell me stories of his own troubleshooting. He has long been responsible for supporting computers and servers and networks. He would talk about how he ruled things out, narrowed things down. I understood the concept and applied it to my work. Playing with things came naturally. Playing more rigorously did not, but it became second nature with experience.

    What I have really always wanted to do is to be an author, and I'm currently working on a science fiction novel. I suppose now that I'm no longer working in that IS&S department every day, I can afford to allow myself to realize that it has been draining my energy. Maybe that's the reason for my struggles for so long with being "down in the hole" and climbing out of it only to get sucked back in, concentration-wise and energy-wise.

    One more thing - I don't have a problem with facts if they interest me. Anything that becomes research for my sci-fi, I magically become able to learn about it. I do, however, realize my limitations when dealing with the world of details as compared to a person who is an "S" type. I worked for an ISTJ boss for four years. I had to learn to speak to her in a concrete way. She could not understand abstractions. Whenever I could, I would simply show her things rather than even try to speak about them.

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    Thank you very much for publishing this BlueWing. I have been searching for a technical analysis of my type, and you've provided it in spades. I've spent a few hours so far studying your essay. It seems substantially correct, and has illuminated and explained quite a few things about my life for me.

    I am unable to provide a constructive criticism at this time, or my input as an INFP. I need more time to review and understand before I will be able to do so. In the meantime, this essay has been linked to at the INFP global chatter forum, so I expect it may become revived.

    Would you please provide an expanded analysis of what it is to "harmonize"?

    Also, I noted that while development of Si and Te are beneficial for the INFP, you note that it is not something that should be actively pursued by the INFP, but rather allowed to develop on it's own. I am curious if this is an absolute truth, as I would very much like to continue developing usage of Si. (For the reasons you mentioned above.) I have no idea how to do this, but it would be of major value for the reasons you cited. As a 31-year old INFP (male), I do have 'limited' use of Si and Te (as per testing at cognitive processes dot com). I would personally like to bring this up to 'average' or even 'good' use.

    I find your work here to be of significant value. I would recommend continuing to work on it over time, perhaps perform a similar analysis on all of the types, and then team with a non-technical writer who will be able to revise it into more layman's terms. It is an excellent contribution imo.

    I will continue to review this over the course of the next week, and will do my best to provide feedback specific to the essay itself.

    Regards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerzen View Post
    Thank you very much for publishing this BlueWing. I have been searching for a technical analysis of my type, and you've provided it in spades. I've spent a few hours so far studying your essay. It seems substantially correct, and has illuminated and explained quite a few things about my life for me.

    I am unable to provide a constructive criticism at this time, or my input as an INFP. I need more time to review and understand before I will be able to do so. In the meantime, this essay has been linked to at the INFP global chatter forum, so I expect it may become revived.

    Would you please provide an expanded analysis of what it is to "harmonize"?

    Also, I noted that while development of Si and Te are beneficial for the INFP, you note that it is not something that should be actively pursued by the INFP, but rather allowed to develop on it's own. I am curious if this is an absolute truth, as I would very much like to continue developing usage of Si. (For the reasons you mentioned above.) I have no idea how to do this, but it would be of major value for the reasons you cited. As a 31-year old INFP (male), I do have 'limited' use of Si and Te (as per testing at cognitive processes dot com). I would personally like to bring this up to 'average' or even 'good' use.

    I find your work here to be of significant value. I would recommend continuing to work on it over time, perhaps perform a similar analysis on all of the types, and then team with a non-technical writer who will be able to revise it into more layman's terms. It is an excellent contribution imo.

    I will continue to review this over the course of the next week, and will do my best to provide feedback specific to the essay itself.

    Regards!
    It is desirable to develop all of our functions, even the lower ones, in your case being Si and Te. You may function soundly with moderately developed lower faculties, you do not need to master them. You want a very good handle on your judging function in order to make decisions, and on the perceiving function to deal with your environment. The other 2 are but back up. You may have problems however, when the two lower functions are neglected completely.

    All N profiles are also posted on this site and eventually will each comrpise an individual chapter in my treatise on typology. Principles of Typology, shall be up for grabs by the end of 08.

    To harmonize means to develop a positive emotive attitude towards all things like virgil glorified Rome and Milon glorified god and eventually all things.
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    I found this essay very interesting and well written albeit a little dense. My knowledge of typology is limited but this is the most thorough description of an INFP that I have come across. It sheds light on problems I find myself in and avenues for positive development. Thanks!
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    Sometimes I hate reading INFP information. It makes all INFP's look sappy and lame. I've read a lot of INFP websites that are crawling with different types of literature and Shakespeare, neither of which I'm interested in. I don't really want to be considered part of this group if this is what we get, lol. I think I'm stuck in my angry 4w5 type today...

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    Pfft, quiet. If we survive this raggedy type we have been dealt we become very strong individuals indeed!
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    I'm not feeling this.

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    Hi Solitary, Thanks for that. Were you BlueWig before?
    Anyways, it was an informative piece on INFPs. I tried to read it all, but I may have missed some parts....is there a section on thier romantic/love life of INFPS??
    I mean, since they take time to open up and not share what thier feeling inside, how do we know that they love us?? :S

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    Cuz one of my heroes is an INFP - my mama!

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    I find your prose difficult to read.

    This is mainly due to its superfluousness and by your attempts to render the text "academic" in tone. It is rather meandering and you use far too many adjectives; they appear to be the means by which you aggrandise the text. I think that, in your efforts to make this profile "of a certain standard", you in fact obscure its meaning.

    Schopenhauer’s philosophy can vouch for the notion of salvation through depth of Feeling. He thought that through intense contemplation of art, our egocentric nature shall surrender to the power of compassion and we escape the perennial state of strife that we are embedded in because our minds will be mollified
    Sentences like this are like an insurrection to the eye. Quite simply: why are there so many words? Would it not make far more sense to write:

    Schopenhaur noted the concept of salvation by "profound feeling". Through the contemplation of art, individual egocentricity would be effaced by feelings of compassion: the perceiver would escape his pervasive state of strife due to the mollification of his mind.
    Imagine making such changes, but to the whole profile. Sadly, the insight which you offer is masked by the faux-complexity of the sentence structure.

    I would enjoy reading the profile again after it's been copy-edited and proof-read.
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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