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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    There's nothing wrong with John and Linda's theory; it seem to be pretty much in sync with people's experience here.
    Basically, the type with all letters opposite will be the most opposite on the surface, yet ultimately, they have the same primary cognitive makeup, though in reverse. It's the types that share the same outer two letters (sociability temperament), or the same middle two letters (Myers temperament, and also the Keirsey temperament for N's), who are similar on the surface, but have totally opposite cognitive makeups.
    The cognitive makeup is of one order. A vision of it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think wc and others missed the point that Eric B was so kind to clarify a bit ago:



    Thanks, Eric.

    So with the latter, you seem to interact just fine with them until the opposite cognitive makeups come into opposition.

    With the former, you see the differences immediately but maybe eventually have a better chance at communication/connection because you still both share similar tandem pairs.
    An order does not turn.
    The spectator "turns" the order.
    Ultimately it is not turned.

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    i can't imagine an xSFP caring enough about anything that i'd be working on to butt heads. even if it's a group effort, they're just there to keep up.
    but dominant Te is poo to work with.

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    I'm an INTP and I both know the ESFJ and the ISFP types.

    First I have to say that I got a strong "introverted Feeling" (Fi) and a ridiculous extraverted one (Fe). I also have a strong Introverted Thinking (Ti). I have both introverted and extraverted Intuiting strong and both sensing quite weak. So I'm not really sur about my MBTI type; INTP might be a result of my enneagramme type: 5.
    I don't know.

    So back to the thread. My mother is a typical ESFJ. I got a real good friend which I share professional/artistic goals with.
    From my experience of these types, I feel it far more uncomfortable to deal with an ESFJ than an ISFP.
    The ISFP values lonelyness and respects rational thinking for its efficience, and is also a rather anticonformist type. The ESFJ's behavior is essentialy opposed to that.
    Between an ISFP and an INTP there's a kind of convergence with opposed dynamics imao.
    It's absolutely not the case between an INTP and an ESFJ. I think that the only way for an INTP to get the respect from an ESFJ is by a kind of social recognition. And for the ESFJ to get the respect from an INTP, may be by...eh...may be a sort of understanding of why traditionalism is usefull for society ? hum...not very convincing I know.

    As an INTP I appreciate the way of living of my ISFP friend. He stimulates my weak S side and I think that I give him that N thing he doesn't have. If there's a clash, it's always in stressfull exhausting situations when I express my Ti in a ruthless way, hurting his feelings. There's then a fundamental misunderstanding leading each one of us to just separate ourselves for a moment because of us beeing both introverted.

    We also both have the same INFP friend. That probably helps resolving conflicts.

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    I haven't read all of this thread, but.... are there any of you INTPs who start behaving like ISFPs under (emotional) stress, especially in relationships?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    I don't agree. ISFPs and INTPs are still both dominant introverted judgers- a lot of the same approach. I think the true opposite is ISFJ.

    Sure if your decisions conflict, you're bound to not get along with most people (Fi or Ti or not).
    *You mean dominant Perceivers, if you don't then your incorrect. Intps and Isfps rely on their creativity and ability to improvise in situations which make them distinct in society too. INTJs and ISFJs are completely judgemental and organized but INTJS are a little more, especially judgemental, but what you wrote is compltely incorrect and true in the exact direct opposite

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonymousTNPI View Post
    *You mean dominant Perceivers, if you don't then your incorrect.
    Ehhh..... In the MBTI, ISFPs (Fi primary) and INTPs (Ti primary) are Introverted Judgers -- their dominants are judging functions.
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    I know this is an old thread, but I can definitely see it. I get along horribly with the majority of ESTPs, we just don't click at all. ISTJs on the other hand I get along fine with most of the time. 2 of my good friends are ISTJs.
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