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    Default A rose, a flower, a spade...renaming to remove bias.

    Something occurred to me last night. What would be the difference if you relabelled extrovert and introvert as explorer and investigator? I don't think it's too far a stretch of the imagination to figure that extroverts want to do, like explorers, and that investigators are those who witness but do not necessarily partake, which is close to an introverts style.

    It got me thinking, many of the problems with the MBTI system is that it was labelled up with a bias towards the NTP type. After all, when compared to "intuition" who would want to be labelled a "sensor", when compared to "thinking", who would want to be called a "feeler" and when compared to "perceptive", who would like to be known as "judgemental"?

    These biases are daft as each preference has it's own use and speciality. So basically can we come up with words which, though still adequately defining the preference, remove these biases and produce a more neutral view of each preference? If not then can we relabel the preferences to something more appropriate perhaps even changing the letters E,I,N,S,F,T,J & P?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I'd prefer to use my own system, which I've devised over years of consideration.

    Extraversion=Outering
    Introversion=Intering
    Sensing=Realing
    iNtuiting=Hunching
    Thinking=Logicing
    Feeling=Valuing
    Judging=Actioning
    Perceiving=Waiting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Something occurred to me last night. What would be the difference if you relabelled extrovert and introvert as explorer and investigator? I don't think it's too far a stretch of the imagination to figure that extroverts want to do, like explorers, and that investigators are those who witness but do not necessarily partake, which is close to an introverts style.

    It got me thinking, many of the problems with the MBTI system is that it was labelled up with a bias towards the NTP type. After all, when compared to "intuition" who would want to be labelled a "sensor", when compared to "thinking", who would want to be called a "feeler" and when compared to "perceptive", who would like to be known as "judgemental"?

    These biases are daft as each preference has it's own use and speciality. So basically can we come up with words which, though still adequately defining the preference, remove these biases and produce a more neutral view of each preference? If not then can we relabel the preferences to something more appropriate perhaps even changing the letters E,I,N,S,F,T,J & P?
    Evolution has favoured the ESTJ.
    They are the survivors.

    Darwin was not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    I'd prefer to use my own system, which I've devised over years of consideration.

    Extraversion=Outering
    Introversion=Intering
    Sensing=Realing
    iNtuiting=Hunching
    Thinking=Logicing
    Feeling=Valuing
    Judging=Actioning
    Perceiving=Waiting
    Hence Te is outering logicing.
    A cul de sac.

    Well said.

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    RC,
    Based on that I fancy being an IRLA or an ORLA!!!

    What is outering and intering? You wouldn't be just making words up now would you?

    Wildcat,
    Me thinks you've just out tangented me. What? Why the reference to evolution? ESTJs are not favoured by the MBTI they may be favoured by the society which spawned the MBTI but the man behind the system does not appear to like them too much.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    RC,
    Based on that I fancy being an IRLA or an ORLA!!!

    What is outering and intering? You wouldn't be just making words up now would you?
    Much more pronounceable, too. IHVW would be "eeH-VU". It's a beautiful system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Much more pronounceable, too. IHVW would be "eeH-VU". It's a beautiful system.
    Nah, surely it's I'VEW?

    Btw, how did you arrive at the I/E words?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    If T was Tactical, referring to precise movements to set criteria, then what would F be?

    I suppose you could always go for Tactless and Fuzzy
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Nah, surely it's I'VEW?

    Btw, how did you arrive at the I/E words?
    Tomato, tomahto.

    The rationale behind my choice of words is obvious if one understands the theory.

    My system has the added bonus of using a parallel constructed list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Tomayto, tomahto.
    Corrected to compensate for accent.
    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    The rationale behind my choice of words is obvious if one understands the theory.
    Which is why I'm asking about your theory dummy. Now quit with the Neo and get with the xplainin!! :steam:
    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    My system has the added bonus of using a parallel constructed list.
    Wildcat has a system constructed entirely with parallels... yours appears different.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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