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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    This is amazing. You intuitively tosed it up. The appellation could have existed.

    It fits accurately the Indo-European pattern. Old Norse is quite conservative.

    I do not think we find it in the record though.


    Yes I grasped the idea of the semantics part .. the warden of the secret thing. I say it is perfect.
    It is times like this that I wonder why I don't get into linguistics... other than being lazy... ^^;;

    Edit: I guess this my show me out to some people in the know, but other names I've made like this are: Farwin (travel friend) and Svarsten (black stone; this one I took some liberty with starting from swart and stein)
    Dreams are best served manifest and tangible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    It is times like this that I wonder why I don't get into linguistics... other than being lazy... ^^;;

    Edit: I guess this my show me out to some people in the know, but other names I've made like this are: Farwin (travel friend) and Svarsten (black stone; this one I took some liberty with starting from swart and stein)
    Svartsten exists.
    Flashback Forum - Visa profil: svartsten

    I have to look at the Farwin. I suspect the original idea of far/fare was to encounter danger and it was indistinguishable from the idea of travel. The travel was a risky business.

    There is an interesting article. A little wild perhaps- not entirely wrong:

    Etymology Of Viking and Varangian

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    LOL cool

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    I have to look at the Farwin. I suspect the original idea of far/fare was to encounter danger and it was indistinguishable from the idea of travel. The travel was a risky business.

    There is an interesting article. A little wild perhaps- not entirely wrong:

    Etymology Of Viking and Varangian
    And it's always good to have a friend along when there is risk involved to watch your back.
    Dreams are best served manifest and tangible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    one would suspect either INTP or ENTP, but I've been wrong before
    I think you are quite right there. There is not much to deal with. A kind of a vacuum.

    Ne Ti Si? Each one a hundred per cent.

    An anomaly.

    What is the P and the J account?

    Ne: P
    Ti: introverted judging function: P
    Si: introverted perceiving function: J

    She is a P

    N contra S: X

    1e contra 2i: I

    No F: T

    IXTP



    For a long time my parents lived abroad.
    When my father died my mother panicked.
    She was Si all over the place.

    After the initial shock, once she had recovered a little bit, she wrote a letter to her lawyer asking him to come over immediately.
    A week later she posted me a short notification concerning the death of my father.
    She forbade me to attend the funeral.

    It goes without saying my father was already inhumed when I got her letter.

    She was a stoic.
    My mother buried her husband alone; in the exact manner she had buried her own mother:
    by exhibiting the solitary walk across the graveyard.

    After all, it was her husband.
    And in the previous funeral it had been her mother.

    The past belonged to her, and her alone.

    Six months after the funeral she came home.

    She bought herself an apartment.
    There was a new washing machine in the kitchen, and a brand new oven.
    She summoned the janitor and told him:
    Take those things out.

    A quarter of a century earlier she had been living permanently abroad, the usual thing.
    One time her mother was to live in her apartment while she was away.
    My grandmother had called my sister in law:
    Can you help me? You cannot do anything in this place. There is no oven. There is not one single kettle in the kitchen.

    My mother did not understand about money. When she had to pay a bill anyone could cheat her and give her nothing back.

    When she is elaborating about the abstract phenomena she is all Ne.
    There is no reprocity.
    You do not say a word. Her Si is all gone. No discussion.

    100 per cent Si and 100 per cent Ne. Do they coexist?
    Not with her.
    Do they coexist somewhere else?
    Why should they?

    Percentages in a continuum are about place. For example, 75 per cent Si is 75 per cent of the continuum Si/Ne.
    There is additional place for 25 per cent Ne.

    The spatial order of things exists everywhere, in all places. Place is about space .
    Last edited by wildcat; 07-15-2007 at 08:55 AM.

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    And space is about place.

    An illustration.

    Two fat ladies try to sit down on the same small bench.

    Each of them take more room than fifty percent of the room of the bench.
    They both try to sit down.
    An impossibility.

    Only one lady sits down at a given time.

    So why do they include a fat Ne and a fat Si on the same bench?

    Ne and Si are mutually exclusive.
    Ti and Fe are mutually exclusive.
    Ni and Se are mutually exclusive.
    Te and Fi are mutually exclusive.

    I have read hundreds of medical reports about teen age INFP girls commited to a mental hospital by their father.

    In each instance I have found out the father is an ESTJ.

    Is the girl insane? No. What is the problem then? The problem is the ESTJ father.

    Hence what is the function order of the shadow?
    Last edited by wildcat; 07-15-2007 at 09:29 AM.

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    Mr Tiddles,
    What is 100% Ne? There is not one person without Ni, or so the theory goes. Each person possesses some degree of each element so 100% of what?

    Also in regard to ENTJs, the typical field marshal arse that people talk about sound like under developed negative feedback ENTJs to me. ENTJs can be extremely sensitive to other people and if they are positive feedback (esp a 9-9 like my father (FIRO-B that is, expressed and wanted)) then rejection can be quite hard on them.

    I always intuited it to be the kind of situation where you believe strongly that you can reshape things for the better. That you have an almost idealistic outlook on things and set out to do the best only to be knocked back by those who can't see the vision or want to make sure that they stay on top of you in the pecking order. I don't think that ENTJs suit such politics very well, positive or negative ENTJs. I'd imagine that they'd want to be separate from such squabbles much like us introverts. In fact I've always seen ENTJs as kinda shy. As soon as you turn the lamp light onto them and start asking questions they shrivel. Strange creatures but there again who isn't?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Mr Tiddles,
    What is 100% Ne? There is not one person without Ni, or so the theory goes. Each person possesses some degree of each element so 100% of what?

    Also in regard to ENTJs, the typical field marshal arse that people talk about sound like under developed negative feedback ENTJs to me. ENTJs can be extremely sensitive to other people and if they are positive feedback (esp a 9-9 like my father (FIRO-B that is, expressed and wanted)) then rejection can be quite hard on them.

    I always intuited it to be the kind of situation where you believe strongly that you can reshape things for the better. That you have an almost idealistic outlook on things and set out to do the best only to be knocked back by those who can't see the vision or want to make sure that they stay on top of you in the pecking order. I don't think that ENTJs suit such politics very well, positive or negative ENTJs. I'd imagine that they'd want to be separate from such squabbles much like us introverts. In fact I've always seen ENTJs as kinda shy. As soon as you turn the lamp light onto them and start asking questions they shrivel. Strange creatures but there again who isn't?
    Never look at the theory.
    Only semantics matter.

    THEORY

    speculation
    hypothesis
    surmise
    conjecture
    postulate
    exposition

    An exposition is not a fact.

    ENTJ

    It is all about semantics.

    SHY

    timid?
    coy?
    reserved?
    diffident?
    cautious?
    wary?

    You see?
    We are all shy.

    Not including the ESTJs of course.

    But nothing is perfect.

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    Someone suggested I should illustrate. I am afraid I am inadept at the thing.
    I experience a serious difficulty in understanding the metaphors myself.

    When I was a child I did not understand them at all. After the age of fifty I did have an inkling.

    Hand.

    On Spatial logic Versus Linear Logic.

    1. Linear logic has at the ultimate stage one hand.
    Spatial logic has at the initial stage four hands:
    2. Linear logic reads from up to down and form left to right.
    3. Spatial logic reads from up to down and from down to up; from left to right and from right to left.

    In a successive order? Wrong question.

    4. Linear logic employs zero a in a multiple meaning. For example, the zero represents a void: or multiplication. It is expressed in the left-right order.

    5. In spatial logic zero marks the sign of the initiation before the object.

    6. Hence we do not deduct. We place.

    Define a boundary.

    0 - 1000 ? OK. The pieces are the zero and one and hence nine.



    019910 ?
    or 091190 ?

    Remember the definition of the zero.
    How many numbers do we have here?
    Two.

    And why do we have six figures in a succession?
    We do not have six figures in a succession.

    We can choose one or the other or both.
    Let us choose both.

    We go linear.

    019--910
    091--901
    109--190

    and we have the linear succession of order

    019
    091
    109
    190
    901
    910

    Then we go spatial

    019910
    091190

    019
    091

    19
    91

    Is the left hand in the left hand of the left hand?

    A redefiniton.

    Left of the right is on the right of the left.
    Right of the left is on the left of the right.
    True.

    When?
    Last edited by wildcat; 07-22-2007 at 09:50 AM.

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    Ti Ne.. Fi Ne
    what is the difference?
    T/F

    What is not the difference?
    I NE

    43...

    INP.. I NE
    ISP.. I SE
    ENP.. NE I
    ESP.. SE I
    ESJ.. E SI
    ENJ.. E NI
    INJ.. NI E

    32..

    I Ne .. I Se
    What is the difference?
    N/S
    What is not the difference?
    I .. e

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    Ooo now brain forming a mobius loop trying to understand that.

    Spatial logic would be when there are more than two 100%?

    Would spatial logic be a colour wheel with black in the centre, white on the outside and pretty much every colour in between laid out with blue, red and green?

    Would spatial logic be positional co-ordinates with three co-ordinates where as linear logic would position you only in X&Y or X&Z or Y&Z?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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