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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    She maybe frustrated if she has not discovered her vocation, fate or destiny.
    The motive is there but she has to discover it.
    She's been getting a few dissapointments over the last 3 months, no body wants to hire her; and to make matters worse, I managed to get a job within a month. I think it's taking a toll on her confidence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    She's been getting a few dissapointments over the last 3 months, no body wants to hire her; and to make matters worse, I managed to get a job within a month. I think it's taking a toll on her confidence...
    I have not known many ENTJs. This is because in this country both the N and the E are almost non-existent.
    I always thought my father was an INTJ. Now I am sure he was an ENTJ.
    I remember the time when my mother was in Paris. My father phoned me every afternoon: What do we do tonight? Do we go to the movies or do we go to the restaurant? It was always one or the other or both. He needed the company.
    When he was young he worked in a bank. He did not like it. He was bored. I do not think he could have been able to get the job had it not been that his father had connections. After the miserable time in the bank he went to the army. There he contemplated suicide. It was worse than the bank.
    When he came out of the army he could not find a job.
    After a year or two his father intervened again. He had connections in the Swedish industry, and he found my father a very humble job as a translator in one of the agencies. There he sat all days and translated the business letters of which he grasped nothing, into German and English. He was bored and unhappy. The pay was meagre and the food was porridge. I think the Americans call it oatmeal.
    One day he went to the canteen and sat down at his usual table. Then he saw that someone approached his table. It was the big boss. He had never seen the big boss before but recognized his face from the portrait on the wall.
    He stood up. The big boss sat down and ordered porridge.
    The big boss asked: what are you doing? He said he was a translator of business letters.
    The big boss said: Not any more.

    In a year he had his own company inside the company and in two years he was making more money than the big boss.
    But what if the big boss had not sat down at his table?

    His parents and his teachers had told him: you will never amount to anything.
    What they had said would have come true.

    People say you form your own destiny. It is not true. You do not form your own destiny. Other people form it for you. You do not give youself a job. You are given a job.

    If your friend is without a job it is not her fault.

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    Every new thing that you find out changes the entire pattern. This new thing I found out only last week. And now everything looks different.
    Hence there are only two typical extravertred male types. They are what we should call the garden variety: The ESTP and the ESTJ.
    And these two types have a huge, fundamental, big time difference. Keirsey is indeed in the right to accentuate the distinction.

    Which type is the redneck? The drawling, beer drinking, uncouth, prejudiced, benighted, stupid redneck?

    Think before you answer. The monster comes in many forms.

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    ESTJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    ESTJ
    Yes.

    A good observation, runvardh.

    runvardh.. is that the guardian of a secret?

    There exists a variety of cultures.

    Hence why does the monster come in many forms?

    Because he is is an adherent of a specific culture.
    And what culture is that?

    It is the culture he is born into.

    My mother is:

    N:

    100 per cent Ne. No Ni.

    S:

    100 per cent Si. No Se.

    T: 100 per cent Ti. No Te.

    F: Nothing.

    Verdict?

    This thread originated about Keirsey or rather: with my change of head about Keirsey.
    After many years of study, it was quite a change in outlook.

    This does not mean he does not have a blind spot.
    Last edited by MacGuffin; 08-13-2007 at 02:47 PM. Reason: merged

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Yes.

    A good observation, runvardh.

    runvardh.. is that the guardian of a secret?
    yes, pulled it from old Iclandic, no I don't know the language well, ^^;;

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    My mother is:

    N:

    100 per cent Ne. No Ni.

    S:

    100 per cent Si. No Se.

    T: 100 per cent Ti. No Te.

    F: Nothing.

    Verdict?
    one would suspect either INTP or ENTP, but I've been wrong before

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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    yes, pulled it from old Iclandic, no I don't know the language well, ^^;;
    Interesting. Maybe you are just modest. I suspect In Iceland and Norway runvardh was the guardian of writing. Writing was the secret art.

    From the Indo-European root verb ru, to hum, to whisper. Hence the etymology of the word rumour: a whisper.
    Ru: to whisper the secret in the ear. In Middle English times rune was a counsel. The words not to be heard by outsiders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Interesting. Maybe you are just modest. I suspect In Iceland and Norway runvardh was the guardian of writing. Writing was the secret art.

    From the Indo-European root verb ru, to hum, to whisper. Hence the etymology of the word rumour: a whisper.
    Ru: to whisper the secret in the ear. In Middle English times rune was a counsel. The words not to be heard by outsiders.
    Really I was just looking for a cool name and took the word rune (secret/lore) and tosed it to gether with vardhr (guardian/warden). The idea that I know things most don't seemed to fit...

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    This is amazing. You intuitively tosed it up. The appellation could have existed.

    It fits accurately the Indo-European pattern. Old Norse is quite conservative.

    I do not think we find it in the record though.


    Yes I grasped the idea of the semantics part .. the warden of the secret thing. I say it is perfect.

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