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    Default Gingerly offering new Temperaments

    Hello everybody. I'm still very new here, so I don't know how this will be received, but I just wanted to share something with you. You don't have to take it seriously if you don't want to. Check it out.

    I thought of a neat re-grouping of the MBTI types which, like Keirsey's "temperaments", crosses over these patterns, but I hope it will be at least as cohesive and "useful". For now, it's mostly academic.

    My idea is based on the Judging/Perceiving dichotomy. It is said that T and F are judging functions, and that S and N are perceiving functions. If this holds true, then there must be a way to better emphasize their relation across the 16 types, which is what I tried to do here. I split the types down the middle between Ps and Js.

    ESTJ ESTP
    ENTJ ESFP
    ISTJ ISTP
    INTJ ISFP
    ESFJ ENTP
    ENFJ ENFP
    ISFJ INTP
    INFJ INFP

    Then, like I said, I split these each in half according to their judging functions for Js and according to their perceiving functions for Ps.

    ESTJ ESTP
    ENTJ ESFP
    ISTJ ISTP
    INTJ ISFP

    ESFJ ENTP
    ENFJ ENFP
    ISFJ INTP
    INFJ INFP

    So my new 4 categories end up being TJ, FJ, SP, and NP.

    We could describe them like this, perhaps:

    SP = aware mostly through their senses (outer inspiration?)
    NP = aware mostly through their intuition (inner inspiration?)
    TJ = decide mostly by logic
    FJ = decide mostly by emotion

    And if you want to "title" them, give it a shot! Here's my attempt.

    SP = Artist
    NP = Dreamer
    TJ = Planner
    FJ = ...Arbitrator?

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    The bottom line is that I wanted to give the judging and perceiving functions fuller meaning. This should help us explore what those two factors really affect. Do you think these groups tell you anything about the behavior of a person (in terms of MBTI & behavior)? To what extent? Why do you think that's the case?

    Basically I just want to hear your thoughts on this idea that came to me. And if you don't think it's worth anything, well then at least you got a laugh.
    Last edited by Cimarron; 10-15-2008 at 11:38 PM. Reason: missing words, more thoughts
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    Looks like I don't have to move my things under your system, so whatever.
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    But I can't fear an entire group this way. I disapprove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Looks like I don't have to move my things under your system, so whatever.
    Yeah, strangely enough one former temperament stayed the same, but 3 of them moved. That was weird...

    The SP's: So resilient!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Yeah, strangely enough one former temperament stayed the same, but 3 of them moved. That was weird...
    No, it's not weird, it just further proves we're the coolest and can't be stopped.
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    i praise u for ur attempt. my only problem is what does this solve or create or do? you could just say Np Nj Sp Sj. or you could do Tp Tj Fp Fj. i understand what u are attempting to do tho. now if i wanna talk about the types that have Fe as one of their first two functions i will say "the FJ types" but i rarely say that. this all probably sounds like rambling lol sorry my point is the old system works wonderfully so there is no point in changing it. now that im done with that i will still give this a shot. have u read Please Understand Me? if so u have read the temperament profiles. write a temperamet profile for each of yours. if it sounds good then ur the man/woman (i didnt check)! if not then good attempt.
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    Good work. This illustrates how the original groupings are not the only way it could have been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    i praise u for ur attempt. my only problem is what does this solve or create or do? you could just say Np Nj Sp Sj. or you could do Tp Tj Fp Fj.
    It doesn't do much, and I'm aware of that. I was having some fun with the categorizations. I hate letting things go to waste, and it looked like Keirsey could have made better use of the P/J dichotomy, so I tried to see where I could take it.

    Basically I agree that any combination of MBTI "letters" works as well as any other to describe behavioral trends.

    I skimmed through "Please Understand Me" the other day. I haven't thought about this enough to write profiles. Maybe in a while.
    Last edited by Cimarron; 10-15-2008 at 06:36 PM. Reason: insert emotion by use of smileys
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    I'm not sure if TJ, FJ distinction is describing much...

    INTJ shares dominant Ni with INFJs while only auxillary Te with ISTJ

    INTJ -> Ni Te
    INFJ -> Ni Fe
    ISTJ -> Si Te
    ISFJ -> Si Fe

    Thoughts?

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    mmk well props my friend for giving it a shot...its nice to see people trying to do new things with MBTI. i highly suggest reading kierseys book before stating that he could have made better use of the P/J dichotomy. after reading tthose profiles u will understand whyh they are grouped the way they are
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