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    ATTENTION MODERATOR-TYPE PERSONS:

    If I promise to actually add some more to this topic, can I get a sticky so this can be a readily available education source to the SP-ignorant?
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    Amazing seeing pictures of these types of women....with their clothes on...kinda makes me feel like watching only the beginning parts of pornos.

    Still fun. Keep up the good work Jeffster
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    Oh! I loved this whole thread!
    Seeing the quotes along with the actual information really helped me understand.
    Thank you! You're a big help!
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    This thread is great! I can see why Wolfy said I remind him of Sarah... It's kind of ridiculous, really.

    Yeah, it's funny because when I read Please Understand Me, I really felt caught between the artisan and the... uh... what's the NF temperament called again? Idealist? My ESFP husband is a full-blown artisan, it's so blatantly obvious, while I... no. I think Keirsey's descriptions are better-suited for the Se dominants than the introverted types, in my experience, anyway. We Fi- dominants, anyway, aren't so... absolute.

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    Wow... those women look... nothing like me. My hedonism is far more subtle. Far more.

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    Hey Jeffster!
    I missed ya!
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
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    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
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    I really enjoyed this thread I hope you do restart it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    I think Keirsey's descriptions are better-suited for the Se dominants than the introverted types, in my experience, anyway. We Fi- dominants, anyway, aren't so... absolute.
    Yeah, this is a subject I have discussed many times. The thing is, with any of the temperaments, the extroverts are the ones that are out there representin', so to speak, and thus when you give examples of behavior to illustrate the concepts, they are going to describe the E types better just by default. But later in the chapter, as I'll go into, he talks about the essential elements that kinda make up the Artisan, and the impulses are the same, whether I or E, they just aren't as "in your face" in the same way, so it's harder to come up with noticeable examples, though there are some.

    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Wow... those women look... nothing like me. My hedonism is far more subtle. Far more.
    The women were included as examples of the pleasures of my own hedonism, not as representatives of SP women, though probably at least some of them are SPs.

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    Hey Jeffster!
    I missed ya!
    I know!

    Next time, aim better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    A Keep up the good work Jeffster
    Quote Originally Posted by ayoitsStepho View Post

    Oh! I loved this whole thread!
    Seeing the quotes along with the actual information really helped me understand.
    Thank you! You're a big help!
    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    This thread is great!
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I really enjoyed this thread I hope you do restart it.
    Thanks guys! I am a busy -errrrr- lazy -errrrr- busy man, but I will try to put some more up in the not too distant future!
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    The Place is Here, The Time is Now


    Here's

    some

    music.

    "Artisans do not care to take tickets at the gate, or sit in the bleachers, or referee the game. They must be in the game, at the very center of things where the action is. Just as their time is now, their place is here, and so they can be said to live in the "here-and-now." Their time and space are inseparable, and it is this unity of time and space that makes their precision of motion in the arts, especially the athletic arts, understandable. While others attempt their motions they are all too often concerned about what is going on elsewhere, or at some other time. The Artisans' only concern is what is happening here at this very moment, and this makes them the masters of timing and graceful movement."

    "Far more than the rest of us, Artisans live and act in the present. After all, they tell us, "tomorrow never comes" and yesterday is "water over the dam." To an SP, there's no time like the present, so we'd better make the most of it, better seize the day, strike while the iron is hot, or get while the getting's good."



    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    The way I think is you can't change the past, it's done so why live there? and the future is unwritten, your best laid plans could easily backfire by the unpredictability of life. So living in the moment feels right, I can change and control what I'm doing right now with predictable results. If you are always looking at tomorrow then you'll never notice how great today is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    as they say, life is a journey... forget the destination so you can pay attention to what youre doing now, youll often find you end up in the right place anyways


    the idea that people can control their future to a great degree is a little foolish. principle of approach is what matters because we simply dont know what will happen. unfortunately, most people do not seem interested in refining their principles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    From the moment the single cell that we formed from began to divide, our time on this Earth began to expire. Regardless of your perspective on spirituality, whether there is an afterlife or nothing at all, this life is guaranteed. It is happening RIGHT NOW. Don't waste it. We have each day but once. LIVE each day to the FULLEST. This is not a dress rehearsal, this is the show, the main event.

    ...The past is gone. The present is yours to forge into your future.

    "Others may grouse and groan about their errors, or worry that the next shot might fail, but less so the Artisans. They do not mourn their losses as their concrete cousins the Guardians do; they do not dissect and redesign their mistakes as their utilitarian cousins the Rationals do; nor do they live in anticipation of mistakes as their abstract opposites the Idealists do. What SPs do is keep their eye on the ball and so are able, more than the others, to hit it at precisely the right instant. Oblivious to the past and the future, they can concentrate all their powers on a clear and present opportunity. And so more often than not they win."

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    Anyway, there's things my body can do pretty well. Like keep blood pumping (brain stem). I can't do much to control that. I'm programmed to coordinate my hands with the eyes, too. I can control that. However, I there's a limitation to being conscious. If I focus on the wrong stuff, I screw up.

    So I want to catch a ball. If I focus on my desire to catch the ball, that won't help me catch the ball. Why? Because I'm consciousness. I can't catch balls - but my good friend the body can. So I pay attention to the body. This is a little unsettling because I'm putting my trust in something that isn't me. My body isn't me.(actually, no, it isn't that unsettling, but with a different example it might be).

    My body is good at catching balls though. Part learned, but natural. So I just let it. How? By focusing on the sensation without trying to make it do anything. That's good advice. Body = the machine = good at catching balls. Consciousness = I = never caught a ball.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Making schedules (or to-do lists) just ends up depressing me, because I end up not getting most of what I planned done, so it becomes something to get stressed out about or beat myself up over. I have been much happier since I stopped trying to do that. People were always telling me to do it, and I did because I thought the problem was that I just wasn't trying hard enough to be disciplined. But I learned that some people, including me, function much better when we can go with the flow, and actually can accomplish a lot more when we don't try to stick to strict schedules that stress us out and make things too pressured.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Well, I was gonna wait until I had some more examples for this section, but I'm too impatient, so I'm just gonna post it now, and if I think of more to add later to this part, I'll just add it on as "additional notes" or something.
    Oh no he didn't just quote his own post from earlier in this same damn topic. OH YES HE DID.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    HELL YEAH LUKE!

    I'm a GREAT planner. I plan to have a good time and my plan usually works out PERFECTLY.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    As usual...just movin and groovin until I pass out. Seems like it will be pretty soon, today was pretty exhausting, and tomorrow will be too.
    "However, there's a price to pay for living so intently in the moment. Since SP Artisans do not reflect very much on their errors or analyze their mistakes to a great extent, it is difficult for them to learn from their errors, and so they can become caught in a loop, repeating their mistakes."

    I'm always running out of money, and I have a better-paying job than I've ever had, so I'm a terrible role model when it comes to saving or being wise when it comes to money
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    My rent check bounced.

    Oh well, I'm now in that honeymoon before the storm period before the apartment office sends me a nasty note telling me I've got to go get a money order and give it to them fast or they'll toss me out on the street.

    So, PARTY IN JEFFSTER'S BLOG!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    You'd think I would be able to keep from burning my tongue by now. But no, burnt tongue I have now, courtesy of the soup.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Thank you, Cim. I will remember that.

    Until the next time I forget it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    The sad thing is with me, often if something is out of sight, it's out of mind, so I lose things and then don't even remember that I lost them, until something will remind me of it, and i don't even know where to start looking!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    NO. YOU MAY NOT WAIT THAT LONG. SEE IT NOW AT THE THEATER. THAT IS AN ORDER. NOODLE NOODLE NER.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    One of my friends called me the most genuine guy she's ever met, actually. When I was younger, I might have "faked" but I really don't these days. What you see/hear is what you get with me, pretty much without fail.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I've never taken very good care of my cars. All of my cars have had problems that could have been prevented with a little bit of actual care taken of them. Several times I have ended up in situations where my car wouldn't start and have had to rely on others to help me out of a jam that I could have prevented in the first place. You would think after several of these situations that I would learn my lesson and start taking better care of my car, thus avoiding unpleasant emergencies. Well, you would think wrong. I am LOOP-MAN! The superhero who can take you to movies and buy you lots of fast food kids meal toys but who can't change his oil or clean his apartment or ever get caught up at work or even get the rent paid sometimes. All I need is a cape.

    On the positive side, Morgan finally got to pitch for his baseball team for the first time tonight. He pitched one inning, gave up only one 1 run, walked 3 and struck out 3, including the final out of the game. He was extremely fired up and happy that he got to pitch and probably forgot that he struck out twice batting. I told him his patience and good attitude paid off. The coach gave him a chance, and now he'll probly get another chance. It's awesome when he can see the fruits of doing the right things. Just like me,. he's somebody who needs to see the results to truly believe in the action.

    Of course, sometimes I can see the results and still repeat the same mistakes like a moron. So once, again, folks, you see there are two sides to the coin of being a Toys-R-Us kid who never grows up. When we finally got home tonight, we ordered pizza and watched Transformers (The Return of Optimus Prime - good episode from Season 3) and I let him stay up way past his bedtime. He called his Grandma and told her the news about getting to pitch and I arranged a backup ride in case I need it tomorrow morning.

    Everything will turn out alright. It always does. And that's why I never learn. So the rollercoaster ride continues, loopy-doopy-doop, but I can't stay mad at myself. I'm too swell a guy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I'm beginning to think I'm too stupid for this forum.


    Join us next time when we talk about artistry!

    (as always, questions/comments/further examples of today's lesson are welcomed.)
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