How can a INFJ permanently loop Ni-Ti without Fe butting in or becoming unhealthy?

[Vivienne.Iris]

Is there any way to skip over Fe without getting in a depressed or negative state?

 

[Amargith]

For an infj, Fe is vital.

The second function is the parent function and is said to be the key to developing all others.

Iow, developing your parent function will automatically strenghten and develop the others.

Without Fe, infjs typically become even more introverted, jaded, afraid of the world and largely pedantic and incredibly critical in the thralls of Ni-Ti. Tertiary Ti screams for logical perfection while Ni wants to reshape the world. Without the loving guidance of a grounded Fe, those demands will only get worse and more unrealistic, causing self fulfilling prophesies regarding the failure that is the world - and by extention, themselves.

So, no, i wouldnt advise it

 

[LucieCat]

I don't think you can keep up a dominant-tertiary loop for extended periods while staying healthy. Ni and Ti can work well in conjunction together, but they sort of need Fe in the long run.
I sort of view the auxiliary function as a mediator or balance between the dominant and tertiary.
If you never use your auxiliary, it'll feel weird to actually use it. But it's better in the long run.

 

[Ashtart]

I am what one could call an "unhealthy INFJ" with my Fe being very undeveloped and I wonder why on earth anyone would want it that way.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I still don't understand what a Ni-Ti loop is like in the mind. I should, but I don't get it.

 

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[Smilephantomhive]

You need a balance of introversion and extroversion to even truly function in life imo.

 

[EcK]

Is there any way to skip over Fe without getting in a depressed or negative state?

I believe it's called a lobotomy

 

[Lexicon]

I believe it's called a lobotomy

 

[Vivienne.Iris]

I don't think you can keep up a dominant-tertiary loop for extended periods while staying healthy. Ni and Ti can work well in conjunction together, but they sort of need Fe in the long run.
I sort of view the auxiliary function as a mediator or balance between the dominant and tertiary.
If you never use your auxiliary, it'll feel weird to actually use it. But it's better in the long run.

It seems like my Fe has no positive advantages. All it does is feed my self-consciousness and the rest of it’s energy is devoted to other people. It is no benefit for me except bridging Ni and Ti or manipulating people. Even when I do use it, it feels unnatural, I get the strong desire to to stop using it, and, for me, it doesn’t even live up to it’s only advantage of playing people chess.

I like Ti. It gets me on track of tasks at hand.

 

[Vivienne.Iris]

I believe it's called a lobotomy

No thanks. I believe the thing I want to keep is, what’s it called, motivation?

 

[EcK]

No thanks. I believe the thing I want to keep is, what’s it called, motivation?

oh people just badmouth lobotomy. It's peer-reviewed and everything.

 

[Lexicon]

oh people just badmouth lobotomy. It's peer-reviewed and everything.

Lobotomies can really bum out your friends, though.

 

[Lexicon]

@ the OP - identifying your own needs, learning to maintain healthy boundaries between those and the needs of others, will make all the difference. It’ll shut off the noise in your head for good, so you can accomplish whatever needs doing, without distraction, and without sacrificing your humanity at the same time... if that makes sense.

 

[Amargith]

Fe needs to be honed, as well.

Its at its best when it truly is like a parent.

Firm, yet gentle, understanding, yet decisive. It knows when to give and when to set a challenge. But that knowledge does take mastery.

Meanwhile, tertiary/teenage Ti is a gigantic pain in the ass to others without Fe to overwatch it, ime and intensely critical of all, especially its owner. The self flagelation at the hands of its scalpel is...yeah. There’s a reason they were designed to work in unison.

 

[Merced]

I'd recommend doing more research on ISTPs if you think you are in a prolonged loop at questionable rates of health. When looping, you resemble the other extrovert or the other introvert of your two combined axes. So for example, a looping ENFP resembles an ESTJ and vice versa. I know the confusion between having strong functions with looping is what caused me to be mistyped, so that's my two cents

 

[blob]

Disable fe from your hotkeys in settings

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I'd recommend doing more research on ISTPs if you think you are in a prolonged loop at questionable rates of health. When looping, you resemble the other extrovert or the other introvert of your two combined axes. So for example, a looping ENFP resembles an ESTJ and vice versa. I know the confusion between having strong functions with looping is what caused me to be mistyped, so that's my two cents

I'm pretty sure I'm actually a looping ISFP. I had to go waaay back and asses my behavior as a youngen.

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"Asses," lol.

 

[Forever]

Disable fe from your hotkeys in settings

I mean that’s acceptable for sure.

Although I prefer to to switch my Fe from Auto to Manual.

You know so I don’t accidentally comfort someone

 

[Z Buck McFate]

For an infj, Fe is vital.

The second function is the parent function and is said to be the key to developing all others.

Iow, developing your parent function will automatically strenghten and develop the others.

Without Fe, infjs typically become even more introverted, jaded, afraid of the world and largely pedantic and incredibly critical in the thralls of Ni-Ti. Tertiary Ti screams for logical perfection while Ni wants to reshape the world. Without the loving guidance of a grounded Fe, those demands will only get worse and more unrealistic, causing self fulfilling prophesies regarding the failure that is the world - and by extention, themselves.

So, no, i wouldnt advise it

How exactly would you define Fe here?

How is it something that INFJs need - that presumably, other introverted types don't need (especially IFPs, since they are supposedly equally as people-oriented) - to avoid becoming dysfunctionally turned inwards?

@ the OP - identifying your own needs, learning to maintain healthy boundaries between those and the needs of others, will make all the difference. It’ll shut off the noise in your head for good, so you can accomplish whatever needs doing, without distraction, and without sacrificing your humanity at the same time... if that makes sense.

I agree with this.

I wouldn't put it in terms of "using Fe" myself - since I've not discerned a specific way for INFJs to connect to others (when they are slipping into the kind inner looping) that doesn't seem to apply equally to other types as well. But for myself, looking inward in a productive way (ie identifying own needs, learning how to identify one's own boundaries and how to enforce it, etc) instead of in an unproductive way (eg trying to figure out what's really going on, what someone else's intentions 'really are' as a way to process wary/hurt feelings, etc - which aren't actually introspection, but are ways the human mind tends to produce narratives about the external world that alleviate any kind of suffering) is the way to stop looping.