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    Default Why's it NT and NF as opposed to NP and NJ?

    After all, it's SP and SJ, not ST and SF, for the same reason I think it should be NP and NJ: all "ideal" SPs, for instance, are more similar to each other than all "ideal" STs are. I mean, is an INFP really more similar to an ENFJ than an INTP?

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    I think in the end, what matters in distinguishing similarity is your degree of orientation towards each combination; a very NF-y NF will probably relate to other NFs; a very NP person will probably relate to NP (e.g. through intolerance for most constraints).

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    Kiersey model (NT, SJ, NF, SP) sucks and I have yet to meet someone who can defend it beyond "That's the model I learned MBTI with". Its popularity is a product of muscle memory.

    I personally prefer typings to be grouped by temperament (EJ, IP, EP, IJ). It's the most literal and leaves little room for stereotype. It's from/for socionics, but its useful for MBTI too.
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    Im my opinion, which may come off as a very unpopular one, the groups should be arranged according to the first two dichotomies. ESs, ENs, ISs, INs.
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    Because Sansing is leading Judgiing/Perceving and Intiton is leading Feelling/Thinking

    SJ - Si
    SP - Se
    and reverse sansing types...
    NT
    NF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Because Sansing is leading Judgiing/Perceving and Intiton is leading Feelling/Thinking

    SJ - Si
    SP - Se
    and reverse sansing types...
    NT
    NF
    That's actually why I think it should be NP/NJ, but you got it wrong: not all types in the NT or NF groups share the same sensing/intuition functions. All types in the NP or NJ groups, however, do share these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merced View Post
    (NT, SJ, NF, SP) sucks and I have yet to meet someone who can defend it beyond "That's the model I learned MBTI with".

    Temperament Theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonedPhilosopher View Post
    That's actually why I think it should be NP/NJ, but you got it wrong: not all types in the NT or NF groups share the same sensing/intuition functions. All types in the NP or NJ groups, however, do share these.
    Well..
    Ni-Te
    Te-Ti
    Ni-Fe
    Fe-Ni

    So Js are ones who use Ni and Ps are ones who use Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merced View Post
    Kiersey model (NT, SJ, NF, SP) sucks and I have yet to meet someone who can defend it beyond "That's the model I learned MBTI with". Its popularity is a product of muscle memory.
    I'll give it a go.

    Sensing vs. Intuition makes sense as the primary division because it determines how you mentally intake information, which is arguably the most important aspect of cognition. Sensing types prefer the physical world, and Intuitive types prefer abstractions. For Sensing types, the most immediately apparent distinction is how they interact with the physical world: organized (J) or disorganized (P). For Intuitive types, on the other hand, the most important distinction is which aspects of mental abstraction they most gravitate towards: morals (F) or logic (T).
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    When you think of it in terms of the leading and auxiliaries being two facets of a unified and indivisible perceiving/judging style and approach rather than as separate functions, then it makes sense. So therefore FiNe and FeNi, for example, make more sense being in the same grouping than do FiNe and TiNe, as the former two are more similar to one another than the latter two.

    Xa = introverted feeling
    Xb = extraverted feeling
    Ya = introverted intuition
    Yb = extraverted intuition
    Za = introverted thinking

    Xa Yb and Xb Ya

    vs

    Xa Yb and Za Yb

    Shit, now I'm not sure. I guess either grouping works, it just depends on what you're looking at.

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