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Aptitude breakdowns by type (SAT, IQ, ACT)

meanlittlechimp

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Found this study conducted by Myers and McCaulley (MBTI Manual - 1985)
First number indicated rank (out of 16). Decimals are for ties.

INFP
1 Business students SAT-M
1 Medical freshman MCAT-V
1 College students SAT-V
2 Ball State males SAT-V
2 Liberal Arts students SAT-V
3 Ball State females SAT-V
3 High School males IQ
3 9th - 12th graders IQ
3 Auburn females ACT
3 Univ Florida females SAT-V
3.5 8th graders IQ
4 Ball State females SAT-M
5 Ball State males SAT-M
5 Univ Florida Males SAT-V
9 Engineering students SAT-M
16 Auburn males ACT

INFJ
1 Ball State males SAT-V
1 Ball State males SAT-M
1 Ball State females SAT-M
2 Auburn Males ACT
3 Business students SAT-M
4 Liberal Arts students SAT-V
4 Univ Florida Males SAT-V
4 Univ Florida females SAT-V
4 Medical freshman MCAT-V
5 High School Males IQ
6 9th - 12th graders IQ
6 Auburn females ACT
7 Ball State females SAT-V
7 College students SAT-V
11 8th Graders IQ
12 Engineering Students SAT-M

INTJ
1 High School Males IQ
1 Auburn males ACT
1 Auburn females ACT
1 Univ Florida males SAT-V
1 Univ Florida females SAT-V
2 Ball State females SAT-M
2 Ball State females SAT-V
2 9th - 12th graders IQ
2 Business students SAT-M
3 Liberal Arts students SAT-V
3 Medical freshman MCAT-V
3.5 Ball State males SAT-M
3.5 8th graders IQ
5 Ball State males SAT-V
8 Engineering Students SAT-M
8 College Students SAT-V

ENTP
1 8th graders IQ
1 9th - 12th graders IQ
3 Auburn males ACT
3 Univ Florida Males SAT-V
4 Ball State females SAT-V
4 High School males IQ
4 Engineering Students SAT-M
4 Auburn females ACT
5 Ball State females SAT-M
5 Liberal Arts students SAT-V
5 Medical freshman MCAT-V
6 Ball State males SAT-V
6 Ball State males SAT-M
6 Univ Florida females SAT-V
10 College Students SAT-V
12 Business students SAT-M

ENFP
2 Ball State males SAT-M
2 8th graders IQ
4 College Students SAT-V
4 Ball State males SAT-V
4 Business students SAT-M
5 Auburn females ACT
6 Liberal Arts students SAT-V
6 Engineering Students SAT-M
6 Univ Florida females SAT-V
6 Medical freshman MCAT-V
7 High School Males IQ
7 Univ Florida Males SAT-V
8 Ball State females SAT-V
9.5 Ball State females SAT-M
14 Auburn females ACT
16 9th - 12th graders IQ

ENFJ
3 Engineering Students SAT-M
5.5 Ball State females SAT-V
6 High School Males IQ
6.5 Ball State females SAT-M
7 Ball State males SAT-V
7 8th graders IQ
7 Auburn females ACT
7 Medical Freshman MCAT-V
8 Liberal Arts Students SAT-V
8 Univ Florida males SAT-V
9 9th - 12th graders IQ
10 Ball State males SAT-M
10 Univ Florida females SAT-V
11 College Students SAT-V
12 Auburn males ACT
15 Business Students SAT-M

INTP
1 Ball State Females SAT-V
1 Liberal arts students Sat-V
1 Engineering students SAT-M
2 High school males IQ
2 Univ Florida females SAT -V
2 Univ Florida Males SAT-V
2 Medical freshman MCAT-V
3 Ball State females SAT-M
3 Ball State males SAT-V
3.5 Ball State males SAT-M
4 9th - 12th graders IQ
5 College students SAT-V
6 8th graders IQ
7 Business students SAT-M
9 Auburn males ACT
16 Auburn females ACT

ENTJ
2 Auburn females ACT
5 8th graders IQ
5 Auburn males ACT
5 9th to 12th Graders IQ
5.5 Ball State females SAT-V
6.5 Ball State females SAT-M
7 Liberal Arts Students SAT-V
7.3 Ball State males SAT-M
8 Ball State males SAT-V
8 High school males IQ
9 Medical Freshman MCAT-V
10 Engineering students SAT-M
10 Business students SAT-M
10 Univ Florida males SAT-V
12 Univ Florida females SAT-V
12 College students SAT-V


Business students - Wharton
9th - 12th Graders - high schools in Florida
High School - college prep programs in Philadelphia suburbs
College Students - Humanities Students at Scripps College
Liberal Arts students - Amhert, Brown, Dartmouth, Stanford and Wesleyan
Engineering students - MIT, Cal Tech, Cornell

Grades/Performance are wildly different of course. The J's dominate. INTJs and INFJs have, by far, the best perfomance.
 

ptgatsby

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Grades/Performance are wildly different of course. The J's dominate. INTJs and INFJs have, by far, the best perfomance.

Just to clarify - the ranks do indicate performance, right? Meaning that INTPs ranked 2nd in IQ scores in high school, and that they performed the best at Ball State University (in particular, since that's a research university*).

If so, does anyone else find it very... INTP... to be both liberal arts and engineering dominants?

*edit: Asking if it was the SAT entrance exam that was measured and decided to go to Ball state, or if it was the actual performance in the university.
 

Splittet

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These stats were kind of confusing. I have by the way made some IQ estimations myself. Even though I doubt my own methods, the results doesn't seem too far off:

1 INTJ 113
2 INFJ 112
3 ENTJ 109
4 ENFJ 107
5 INFP 105
6 INTP 104
7 ISTJ 104
8 ENTP 102
9 ESTJ 100
10 ENFP 97
11 ISFJ 95
12 ESFJ 94
13 ISTP 91
14 ISFP 88
15 ESTP 88
16 ESFP 85

They were made purely for fun. I compared the member numbers of each type in Mensa, compared it to the general population, and used normal distribution math to come up with these numbers. Yes, it's not perfect ...
 

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Splittet's numbers look a little...small.
 

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The average IQ is 100.

:shock: You're shitting me. Even my IQ is 156 (as of two years ago), and I've taken one of those hardcore, legal test thingies. And I would think that I would be a less-than-average human being. v_v
 

Splittet

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:shock: You're shitting me. Even my IQ is 156 (as of two years ago), and I've taken one of those hardcore, legal test thingies. And I would think that I would be a less-than-average human being. v_v

Haha, seems like you are not. If that is ratio IQ (deviation IQ would mean you are even smarter), it means you are more intelligent than about 999/1000 (since you are ENFP I bet you are not just smart too, but have a broad range of talents, contrary to many INTJs like myself, although focus is probably not your strongest suit). But sure, I often wonder too where the 50 % with an IQ below 100 is (the average IQ of my friends are something like 125). But just because I rarely see them doesn’t mean they don’t exist, I guess.
 

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No correlation between smarts and type, I'm afraid.
 

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No correlation between smarts and type, I'm afraid.

In general, I agree with you. However, Ptgatsby notes a tendency for Ns to have higher IQ scores, though not necessarily, because it's generally agreed that people who have high IQs or are seen as smart are more likely to misidentify as Intuitive by associating it with being smart. He also mentioned that people who have low IQs tend to go on to develop Sensory smarts rather than Intuitive smarts.

People may have low IQs because of a lack of exposure to certain parts of the world, most likely due to cultural differences. Even "Culture Fair" IQs have a cultural bias. Culture Fair IQs tend to be the ones with sequential patterns. And believe it or not, you have to learn to determine the patterns properly in order to score correctly. Proper logical thinking isn't innate.

IQs can actually change through time. Although IQ tests do test ability relative to age level, education and a broader mind can increase that.
 

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In general, I agree with you. However, Ptgatsby notes a tendency for Ns to have higher IQ scores, though not necessarily, because it's generally agreed that people who have high IQs or are seen as smart are more likely to misidentify as Intuitive by associating it with being smart. He also mentioned that people who have low IQs tend to go on to develop Sensory smarts rather than Intuitive smarts.

People may have low IQs because of a lack of exposure to certain parts of the world, most likely due to cultural differences. Even "Culture Fair" IQs have a cultural bias. Culture Fair IQs tend to be the ones with sequential patterns. And believe it or not, you have to learn to determine the patterns properly in order to score correctly. Proper logical thinking isn't innate.

IQs can actually change through time. Although IQ tests do test ability relative to age level, education and a broader mind can increase that.

I have a theory on why Ns tend to have higher scores.

As you might already know there's a correlation between big-5 O, IQ (even if small), and N MBTI preference.

This means that people that tend to score as N, tend to score as having high O on the big-5, and tend to score higher on IQ tests.

Now, we have to analyze the path of causality which is present here. In my opinion, it goes like this:

Higher IQ then
High O and High N

So this means that irregardless of their real functional preference, high IQ people tend to score higher on N than lower IQ people - because let us face it there are certain questions in MBTI tests that can be equally tied to smarts and intuitive preference.

In actuality, my observations are a tad more complex than that. There is a dependancy on the first function of the individual.

Let me give you an example:
ESFP Se dominant will score as ENFP because he/she will recognize him/herself as irrational but also as intuitive.
ISFJ Fi dominant will score as ISTJ beecause he/she will recognize him/herself as rational but also thinking.
We can go on and costruct a simple algorithm from there, so that ESxPs will score as ENxPs, IxFJs will score as IxTJs, ISxPs will score as INxPs, etc.

This of course in case of very high IQ.
 

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I have a theory on why Ns tend to have higher scores.

As you might already know there's a correlation between big-5 O, IQ (even if small), and N MBTI preference.

This means that people that tend to score as N, tend to score as having high O on the big-5, and tend to score higher on IQ tests.

Now, we have to analyze the path of causality which is present here. In my opinion, it goes like this:

Higher IQ then
High O and High N

So this means that irregardless of their real functional preference, high IQ people tend to score higher on N than lower IQ people - because let us face it there are certain questions in MBTI tests that can be equally tied to smarts and intuitive preference.

In actuality, my observations are a tad more complex than that. There is a dependancy on the first function of the individual.

Let me give you an example:
ESFP Se dominant will score as ENFP because he/she will recognize him/herself as irrational but also as intuitive.
ISFJ Fi dominant will score as ISTJ beecause he/she will recognize him/herself as rational but also thinking.
We can go on and costruct a simple algorithm from there, so that ESxPs will score as ENxPs, IxFJs will score as IxTJs, ISxPs will score as INxPs, etc.

This of course in case of very high IQ.
In general this seems reasonable, but remember that the MBTI only tests how you see yourself...so it is more people who think they are smart who will in theory tend to score more "N" than people who actually have a high IQ. Small distinction, but sometimes it makes a difference.

Also, it would make sense to me (disclaimer: personal opinion, no stats, etc etc) that most of the people who are genius level (what is that, around 160?) are Ns, just because most of them I've seen/heard of give off that vibe. I think below that level there's less of a difference though. This could affect the average stats. Anyone know if a distribution of IQ levels according to types exists? Ie, X% of people with IQ X are X type? Or coming from the other direction, a distribution of IQs for each type? Maybe that's too specific for there to be an actual study on it though.
 

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In general this seems reasonable, but remember that the MBTI only tests how you see yourself...so it is more people who think they are smart who will in theory tend to score more "N" than people who actually have a high IQ. Small distinction, but sometimes it makes a difference.

I know personally a very clear ESFP with an IQ of 165 that tests as N because of her genius(she can deal with sensory details just as well as she deals with theory); as well as an ISFJ with an IQ of 153 that tests as T because she obviously uses analytical abilities in school and work matters.

In any case, in my opinion a self-perception of being smart prerequests an outside check, so if a person perceives him/herself as being smart, there is a certain likelyhood of it being more true than false - at least, again, from my experience. It's actually more likely the opposite to happen - a smart person not believing in his/her smart due to excessively high self-imposed standards.

Very interesting topic, anyway. To reply to your last question: I don't know.
 

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I know personally a very clear ESFP with an IQ of 165 that tests as N because of her genius(she can deal with sensory details just as well as she deals with theory); as well as an ISFJ with an IQ of 153 that tests as T because she obviously uses analytical abilities in school and work matters.

In any case, in my opinion a self-perception of being smart prerequests an outside check, so if a person perceives him/herself as being smart, there is a certain likelyhood of it being more true than false - at least, again, from my experience. It's actually more likely the opposite to happen - a smart person not believing in his/her smart due to excessively high self-imposed standards.
Yeah yeah, I agreed with you in general, and of course most people who are smart will know it...but you can't deny that there are average or even dumb people out there who think they are smarter than the average person, can you? I've never seen a single person, anywhere, claiming an IQ less than 100...but I know they exist in droves, it's the bloody average! There's no way as many people have an IQ of 120-130 as you'd think from all the people claiming it, either. It's human nature to want to feel superior (read: smarter), I think.

That was the only scenario I wanted to point out.
 

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Yeah yeah, I agreed with you in general, and of course most people who are smart will know it...but you can't deny that there are average or even dumb people out there who think they are smarter than the average person, can you? I've never seen a single person, anywhere, claiming an IQ less than 100...but I know they exist in droves, it's the bloody average! There's no way as many people have an IQ of 120-130 as you'd think from all the people claiming it, either. It's human nature to want to feel superior (read: smarter), I think.

That was the only scenario I wanted to point out.

Yeah, I agree with your point!

In any case, thinking about it - we could say that people with a lower IQ don't like to make it public, it's plausible.
 

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I know personally a very clear ESFP with an IQ of 165 that tests as N because of her genius(she can deal with sensory details just as well as she deals with theory); as well as an ISFJ with an IQ of 153 that tests as T because she obviously uses analytical abilities in school and work matters.

In any case, in my opinion a self-perception of being smart prerequests an outside check, so if a person perceives him/herself as being smart, there is a certain likelyhood of it being more true than false - at least, again, from my experience. It's actually more likely the opposite to happen - a smart person not believing in his/her smart due to excessively high self-imposed standards.

Very interesting topic, anyway. To reply to your last question: I don't know.

I come out around 125 and most MBTI tests put me near boarder line on T/F and J/P
 

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:steam: Just how many people have actually been tested, formally, using something like the KAIT or WAIS. Meaning, you had a psychologist in the room giving you the test? Or even one that doesn't have sub-scales, but was professional administered.

As far as self reporting. The lower your IQ, the more likely you are to overstate it. The higher your IQ, the more likely you are to underestimate it. The mid point seems to be about 115-120ish, where most people in the 90-110 range believe them to be in the 110-120 range, while many people in the 120-135 range cluster around the 120 range.

About 10% of the population has an IQ of 120 or higher, so it's not that rare. Selective bias changes this significantly (ie: technical fields, or even higher end corporations are very biased towards the higher end... never mind a field of teaching or similar).
 

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I do have family who scored as S, and also had IQ around the 150 range as well. As far as my IQ goes, I have no idea. But I have encountered some STs that I would consider smarter than myself, though not really any SFs. Though that might be because I don't hang out with SFs that much either.
 

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The IQ is a bunch of shit biased in favor of N type thinking.

There is too much NT ego masturbation on this site as it is.
 

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I really think that niffer's IQ proves that you cannot correlate IQ to type preference, at least not completely. Even it if it's generally true for a particular group of people, that doesn't prove it's true for everyone. Although I do imagine that INTJ's and INTP's would have the highest IQ's, based on the way the test is usually laid out.

The IQ is a bunch of shit biased in favor of N type thinking.

There is too much NT ego masturbation on this site as it is.

I wouldn't talk if I were you...
 
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