I am INTP and one of my freinds is ENTP and he appears to be way quite confident.
Both types have relatively similar cognitive function stack but ENTP end up more confident than their brother type INTP. I know that Si can be my best source of confidence since I feel like I am more assertive when I have high energy and using Si. (It includes awareness of my body). On the other hand Si is even less mature in ENTP. So what exactly makes ENTP more confient than INTPs in terms of cognitive functions? Their dominant Ne? Trickster (7th) Fi since they can be kind of dicks deep inside? Because their Se in not trickster (7th)? What is it?
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01-08-2017, 12:48 AM #1
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Why are ENTPs naturally way more confident than INTPs?
01-08-2017, 09:56 PM #2
7s are generally a little/lot more free to just try shit. they appreciate reps. they don't have to be right against such an absolutist weight. they tend to focus on others a bit more, learning how to influence and interact in a variety of enjoyable ways, so they just have a broader social range, feel comfortable in more situations with more people, etc. they can also unfocus a bit more and roll with the energies around them, and as 7s (primarily, some 3s as well), they are usually more in touch with their bodies. less super-ego-y too, unless they have a super unhealthy relationship with their e1 side.
as far as functions go, Pe is all about presence. being able to relax into that gives the most trampoline-y energy towards wherever the moment is going or needs to go. instead of feeling like you always have to first warm up the engine and scrape the windows.
01-09-2017, 06:28 AM #3
I think all the extroverted types would be more confident on average than their introverted counterparts, don't you?
01-11-2017, 01:26 AM #4
Yeah, I think it's the enneagram difference, and also Ji vs Pe.
INTPs can be quite confident, but it is often quieter. Whereas the outgoing side of some ENTPs can look confident, but really be masking insecurities in other areas.
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01-11-2017, 02:38 AM #5
I wanted to agree with OrangedAppled's post. I was about to say how Enneagram effects confidence. If ENTP's were 4w5,5w6,1w9's, and not score on social or sexual, they would appear almost like INTPs.5w4,4w5,1
01-11-2017, 02:46 AM #6
They are? I generally think intps to appear more confident, they often have very rigid opinions that can be very introverted as well. I am not so fixed in my opinions at all and most often dont care enough about what others think of me, to ever come into the position of needing to be confident. I have some greater visions that accompanied me all my life now and they have manifested as core opinions for me. But I dont need to share them.
When it comes to being confident with people, I think that has a lot to do with socialisation in general. When I was a nerd at University my social skills were way worse than now at the job where I have to deal with 40+ people a day. I dont think type does exclusively limit you to certain skills, it just gives a reference frame on what may work for you. For instance as an introvert thinker, I pretty much get stressed in an open Te planning round, cause I have my own ways to do things. I rather like to work and plan alone. I have been doing that now for some time and my bosses have confidence in me now. They give me a job and can trust me to solve the problem. I can do that then my own pace and ways, without status reports or having to do an organisational chart before the job.
I have an intp on the team, very people-oriented guy but the knowing eye sees that he is introverted. He manages well tho and when it comes to concentration and needing to do Ti work, he reserves time slots in his calendar to fully delve into a project with his own thoughts.
So I think confidence in dealing with people is learnable, nothing you really cant ever change if you are bad at it by now. And general confidence in opinion, I think is just important to people who want their opinions to be heard at all costs. I dont care so much about that.
01-11-2017, 06:44 AM #7
As an ENTP who has had anxiety issues I think that while on the whole ENTPs will be more confident than INTPs due to many factors you can have confident INTPs and shy ENTPs which can be caused by many external factors like the INTP being raised in an environment that valies them and the ENTP in a environment that goes against their values so to speak. I used to be very talkative and would never stop chatting and was told I could talk myself to a gold medal in the Olympics but meh people do suck and they are often boring so I have over the years become more quiet and INTPish.
To answer your question I would say that us ENTPs may look more confident with other people due to having Fe higher in our function stack than INTPs where it is inferior. We also tend to leap before we look as dom Ne is about the posbillties while dom Ti is more "is this logical for me". However I find INTPs tend to be more confident in their thoughts and ideals though and stick to them far better than ENTPs due to a higher Si.You are only alive if you can dig deep into your emotions and feel them all even the painful ones
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01-11-2017, 06:53 AM #8
They aren't. They are confident in their extraverted functions and abilities, because...they are extraverts. INTP's are confident in their introverted abilities, because... yeah..
Often, confidence gets attributed to people who seem confident when dealing with the outside world. This favors extraverts for obvious reasons. But if you focus on confidence in the ability to introvert, the tables are turned.
01-11-2017, 08:20 AM #9
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e3s, the duck is still but the feet are moving fast and 5s well, they need time to reflect so there you have it. Ne needs communication, so it would make sense to be moving/communicating all the time.
01-11-2017, 08:53 AM #10
Experience...extraverted pushes them outside moreTake what I say with a grain of salt, because that's all it is compared to the ocean of complexity when it comes to actions and real life.