[NT] Why are ENTPs naturally way more confident than INTPs?

[Bob Smith]

I am INTP and one of my freinds is ENTP and he appears to be way quite confident.

Both types have relatively similar cognitive function stack but ENTP end up more confident than their brother type INTP. I know that Si can be my best source of confidence since I feel like I am more assertive when I have high energy and using Si. (It includes awareness of my body). On the other hand Si is even less mature in ENTP. So what exactly makes ENTP more confient than INTPs in terms of cognitive functions? Their dominant Ne? Trickster (7th) Fi since they can be kind of dicks deep inside? Because their Se in not trickster (7th)? What is it?

Thanks for Reading!

 

[the state i am in]

7s are generally a little/lot more free to just try shit. they appreciate reps. they don't have to be right against such an absolutist weight. they tend to focus on others a bit more, learning how to influence and interact in a variety of enjoyable ways, so they just have a broader social range, feel comfortable in more situations with more people, etc. they can also unfocus a bit more and roll with the energies around them, and as 7s (primarily, some 3s as well), they are usually more in touch with their bodies. less super-ego-y too, unless they have a super unhealthy relationship with their e1 side.

as far as functions go, Pe is all about presence. being able to relax into that gives the most trampoline-y energy towards wherever the moment is going or needs to go. instead of feeling like you always have to first warm up the engine and scrape the windows.

 

[Pionart]

I think all the extroverted types would be more confident on average than their introverted counterparts, don't you?

 

[OrangeAppled]

Yeah, I think it's the enneagram difference, and also Ji vs Pe.
INTPs can be quite confident, but it is often quieter. Whereas the outgoing side of some ENTPs can look confident, but really be masking insecurities in other areas.

 

[great_bay]

I wanted to agree with OrangedAppled's post. I was about to say how Enneagram effects confidence. If ENTP's were 4w5,5w6,1w9's, and not score on social or sexual, they would appear almost like INTPs.

 

[entropie]

They are? I generally think intps to appear more confident, they often have very rigid opinions that can be very introverted as well. I am not so fixed in my opinions at all and most often dont care enough about what others think of me, to ever come into the position of needing to be confident. I have some greater visions that accompanied me all my life now and they have manifested as core opinions for me. But I dont need to share them.

When it comes to being confident with people, I think that has a lot to do with socialisation in general. When I was a nerd at University my social skills were way worse than now at the job where I have to deal with 40+ people a day. I dont think type does exclusively limit you to certain skills, it just gives a reference frame on what may work for you. For instance as an introvert thinker, I pretty much get stressed in an open Te planning round, cause I have my own ways to do things. I rather like to work and plan alone. I have been doing that now for some time and my bosses have confidence in me now. They give me a job and can trust me to solve the problem. I can do that then my own pace and ways, without status reports or having to do an organisational chart before the job.
I have an intp on the team, very people-oriented guy but the knowing eye sees that he is introverted. He manages well tho and when it comes to concentration and needing to do Ti work, he reserves time slots in his calendar to fully delve into a project with his own thoughts.

So I think confidence in dealing with people is learnable, nothing you really cant ever change if you are bad at it by now. And general confidence in opinion, I think is just important to people who want their opinions to be heard at all costs. I dont care so much about that.

 

[Lord Lavender]

As an ENTP who has had anxiety issues I think that while on the whole ENTPs will be more confident than INTPs due to many factors you can have confident INTPs and shy ENTPs which can be caused by many external factors like the INTP being raised in an environment that valies them and the ENTP in a environment that goes against their values so to speak. I used to be very talkative and would never stop chatting and was told I could talk myself to a gold medal in the Olympics but meh people do suck and they are often boring so I have over the years become more quiet and INTPish.

To answer your question I would say that us ENTPs may look more confident with other people due to having Fe higher in our function stack than INTPs where it is inferior. We also tend to leap before we look as dom Ne is about the posbillties while dom Ti is more "is this logical for me". However I find INTPs tend to be more confident in their thoughts and ideals though and stick to them far better than ENTPs due to a higher Si.

 

[Boogie man]

They aren't. They are confident in their extraverted functions and abilities, because...they are extraverts. INTP's are confident in their introverted abilities, because... yeah..

Often, confidence gets attributed to people who seem confident when dealing with the outside world. This favors extraverts for obvious reasons. But if you focus on confidence in the ability to introvert, the tables are turned.

 

[chubber]

e3s, the duck is still but the feet are moving fast and 5s well, they need time to reflect so there you have it. Ne needs communication, so it would make sense to be moving/communicating all the time.

 

[Poki]

Experience...extraverted pushes them outside more

 

[Yara the Corpse]

ENTPs are not more confident than INTPs.

ENTPs are more confident than INTPs regarding the judgement of the external properties of the world rather than internal, which makes them appear more outwardly "confident"

 

[misfortuneteller]

because the world favors extroversion...

 

[reckful]

I'd say this is first and foremost an E/I thing. And that's not to say that there aren't a significant number of other potential contributors (e.g., Big Five neuroticism, which contributes to worry-proneness) to someone's confidence level, either overall or in any particular situation. But if you're talking about the contributions of MBTI type factors to whether a person is someone who would be more or less likely to be described as "confident" in an overall sense, whether they're an E or an I is the main factor.

The MBTI Manual has a section that discusses the aspects of personality that have been consistently found to correspond to each of the MBTI preferences in studies that correlate MBTI type with dimensions from other personality scales. And the Manual notes that extraversion lines up with personality characteristics involving "Sense of comfort in the environment, which is shown in measures named self-acceptance, well-being, autonomy, self-confidence, and stability," and "Action on the environment, as shown in correlations with dominance, assertiveness, social boldness, capacity for status, leadership, change, aggression, and exhibition."

E/I is also one of the Big Five dimensions, and in their summary, McCrae & Costa (the leading Big Five psychologists) explain that extraverts tend to be "upbeat, energetic, and optimistic" (as compared to introverts), as well as "dominant, forceful, and socially ascendant." One of the six Extraversion "facets" in the NEO-PI-R (McCrae & Costa's version of the Big Five) is Assertiveness.

 

[that's not my name]

There not, they're just louder about it.

 

[entropie]

For introverts fighting against a lot of prejudices against introverts, they themselves are rather quick to judge, aint they?

 

[Metis]

They aren't. They are confident in their extraverted functions and abilities, because...they are extraverts. INTP's are confident in their introverted abilities, because... yeah..

Often, confidence gets attributed to people who seem confident when dealing with the outside world. This favors extraverts for obvious reasons. But if you focus on confidence in the ability to introvert, the tables are turned.

Good point. But what exactly is "confidence in the ability to introvert"? Are you sure this isn't just a rhetorical argument? I'm trying to think of ways any E people I know lack confidence in the ability to introvert. How would you find this out about someone?

 

[Eric B]

I would also say it's the extraversion. In classic temperament (especially as viewed through the FIRO concepts), the extroverts are more "expressive", and this is tied to a drive to approach others for interaction. The external orientation also drives them to seek stimulation from people.
The conative (Keirseyan) parallel to expressiveness is "pragmatism", and while both NTP's are pragmatic (and NTJ's, and SP's as well), classic temperament points out that the blends of extroverted temperaments (Sanguine and Choleric, which would be both extroverted and pragmatic) are like doubly aggressive. So that would be both ENTP and ESTP.

 

[EnnisPreit]

As an ENTP/ENTJ (yes I understand they're completely different stacks, but still continue to test with either dom Ne or Te) I relate to being confident when handling things around me, yet not as confident dealing with internal stuff.

 

[EnnisPreit]

because the world favors extroversion...

Could u expect it otherwise?

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

Introverts try not to stir up anything that they don't have the energy to tolerate or to shut down. It's not about confidence. It's about energy conservation.