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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post

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    Since the test did type me as an ENFP, despite Fi>Ne, it seems how the functions relate to each other also matters.
    The idea of type determined via. "relative" functions is intuitively satisfying. After looking into it, I just might buy it.

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    Ni, Ti, Fe, Se

    The other four are basically rolled up into the first four. I don't think of it as 8 separate functions. I think of it as 4, and then spectrums of direction for each.

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    I think of it as 4, and then spectrums of direction for each.
    Explain. I may have a similar approach. For example, in my list of fuctions (Ne, Fi, Te, Si) I do not have Fe. But of course I can create a "synthetic" version of Fe with Ne and Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    christ, no one seems to understand functions even a little

    EDIT:

    ENFP -> Ne, Fi, Te, Si
    INFP -> Fi, Ne, Si, Te
    ENTP -> Ne, Ti, Fe, Si
    INTP -> Ti, Ne, Si, Fe
    ENFJ -> Fe, Ni, Se, Ti

    and so on...

    if you are an INFP, those are your functions and those are the order they are in.

    In an ENFP the first function receives the information. The auxiliary function determines what to do with the information. The tertiary does two things: it allows the first two functions to communicate freely (this is true for any type) and in the ENFPs case it brings order to decision making. The shadow is just a backup to Te and is an un(sub)conscious process. thats functions in a nutshell...at least for an ENFP
    What you're describing there are actually roles, not necessarily strengths. That's why people's CP results are coming out all out of order. So an ENFP can have his Fi measured as the strongest, and what that would suggest is that his decision making is stronger then his receiving of information. I guess he "does more with less".

    I find both my Ne-Ti-Si-Fi-Te-Fe-Se-Ni relative strengths, plus the Ti-Ne-Si-Fe-Te-Ni-Se-Fi roles to be very accurate.
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    Mine would be:

    Fi
    Ne
    Si
    Te and Ti are probably tied. Si is pretty close to being tied, too, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    Explain. I may have a similar approach. For example, in my list of fuctions (Ne, Fi, Te, Si) I do not have Fe. But of course I can create a "synthetic" version of Fe with Ne and Fi.
    Well it makes sense that when one perceiving or judging function goes in one direction, it should be used with the opposite one going the other direction (ie. Ti and Fe, Ni and Se).

    Let's take ESFP as an example. I seriously doubt any of them gives equal attention to all sensory data in the environment. Even the most P people still filter data through their internal standard to some extent (they're more likely to pick up on sensory data that is more important to their current thought process and unconscious tendencies). So they are S dominant with extroversion being the preferred direction for sensing. Maybe call it 90% extroverted sensing. 100% extroversion in a function doesn't seem possible.

    I don't think it makes sense to call Se and Si different functions since neither of them seem to be theoretically possible. I'd rather call it sensing and include a spectrum of introversion to extroversion.

    I do think that generally people tend to be 90% or more on either side, just due to our tendency to specialize. I doubt anyone could maintain any sort of balance in the middle of a function. So it still makes sense to think of functions as having a direction. Just not entirely one direction.

    This is actually another reason I feel comfortable listing my function order as Ni, Ti, Fe, Se. Not all of them are pointing in exactly one direction. There is a bit of extroversion in my first two functions, and there is a bit of introversion in my second two.

    Another thing: the MBTI system is flawed. We think of people that use T more comfortably than F as Ts, but I'm not an INTJ. Either the code should include less common orders, or we should throw out the code altogether and just list functions. There are definitely rules that apply to order of functions, but I don't like the rule for the order of the middle two functions. I think that should be thrown out.

    People are raised in all sorts of different ways. If someone is raised in an environment where their auxiliary is constantly negatively reinforced and their tertiary constantly positively enforced, they are definitely going to be more comfortable with their tertiary than their auxiliary.

    So what does "order" really mean? Does it mean comfortability? Or does it just mean MBTI perscribed order... If it means comfortability, the rules are too strict. If its about functions pairing in some sort of specific way, I guess we can use the MBTI order, it just can't be applied that far.

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    whoever keeps giving my threads 1 star, please go kill yourself.

    okay back on topic, if you think your 4 functions are your top 4 functions i simply CANNOT agree, nor do i think the literature ever says this. you seriously telling me that for an ENFP your Te will be higher than your Fe? Te is my tertiary function isn't it? yet will power is especially bad with us ENFP's. furthermore, the 4th function that the standard literature gives often isn't called your 4th function at all but your WEAKEST function. for my money, that doesn't mean that it's my 4th function at all, but my 8th. unless we can somehow say that we only use 4 functions, i can't see how this makes sense. i think the 4 functions that they give us only indicate the order of those 4 functions itself (perhaps the top 2 and bottom 2), that's it. i WILL NOT accept that they are my top 4 functions because they are obviously not. Te and Si are strong suits of an ENFP? give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    1)Thinking depends on Feeling in the following regard, when a Thinker comes across a piece of good reasoning, he experiences a positive sentiment with respect to the thought he just entertained. If this were not the case, and we had only Thinking operating and no Feeling, the Thinker would have no relationship to his thoughts. He simply would have no motivation to explore them.
    2)Intuition depends on Sensation in the following regard, in order for you to imagine something, you need to have an observation imprinted in your mind of something that you have seen before. As otherwise your vision does not have a starting point.
    3)Feeling depends on Thinking in the following regard, Thinking provides structure for the sentiments the feeler has experienced. A feeler is able to say that X is good or bad because Thinking has identified what X is and focused the sentiments onto X. Feeling without Thinking would simply be a conglomeration of passions.
    4)Sensing depends on Intuition in the following regard, concrete sensations are only possible to be recalled if one has made a mental note of them, this requires intuition. Pure element of sensation goes only as far as the physical act of touching, or smelling an entity, yet when the mind quite inevitably makes a mental note of the entity interacted with, intuition comes into the act.
    Re: above post: You must use all four functions all the time. Feeling depends on thinking. You certainly use Thinking more than you use both feeling functions, or else you've got some real bad problems.

    There's a difference between amount of use and conscious awareness.

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    According to the test thingy mine are Fi, Ne, Ni, Si, Ti, Se, Fe, Te it seems. Even thought Te should be way higher than it is in an INFP. I must be defective

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    Don't take that test seriously. Learn the functions themselves.

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