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View Poll Results: What is in your personal (real-life) experience the rarest female type(s)?

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  • INTP

    17 42.50%
  • INTJ

    18 45.00%
  • ENTP

    6 15.00%
  • ENTJ

    10 25.00%
  • INFP

    1 2.50%
  • INFJ

    2 5.00%
  • ENFP

    0 0%
  • ENFJ

    0 0%
  • ISTP

    2 5.00%
  • ISTJ

    3 7.50%
  • ESTP

    3 7.50%
  • ESTJ

    1 2.50%
  • ISFP

    0 0%
  • ISFJ

    0 0%
  • ESFP

    0 0%
  • ESFJ

    0 0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Again, based on over a million tests. The population breakdown is pretty well known, with a huge sampling across multiple forms. I may disagree with MBTI's distribution techniques but it is difficult to argue with the population preferences within it. (By this, I mean using FFM or another personality system entirely, which is based on an entirely different theory.)
    Where is this information?
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    I don't believe Jung said that exactly - he said that society expects men to be 'ST' types and women to be NF types (animus and anima) and that many must repress their nature. All of this is based not on his functional views but his archetype stuff... so I'm not sure it mixes perfectly either. This is also simply because he didn't see the functions the way MBTI does, so the meaning between being ST and NF is very different from his theory to the current MBTI view.
    Do you just make this up, and expect it to be taken at face value? First I did not say NF, exclusively, because he refers to N and F individually. More particualarly Ne and Fe. Jung’s definitions are online for all to view. As for Fe he says, “When extraverted feeling possesses the priority we speak of an extraverted feeling-type. Examples of this type that I can call to mind are, almost without exception, women.”

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    For Ne he says, “Apparently this type is more prone to favour women than men; in which case, however, the intuitive activity reveals itself not so much in the professional as in the social sphere. Such women understand the art of utilizing every social opportunity; they establish right social con- [p. 466] nections; they seek out lovers with possibilities only to abandon everything again for the sake of a new possibility.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Where is this information?
    It has been passed around a lot here, but here it is (again)... from CAPT, which is the research branch of CPP, the owners of the MBTI instrument. You can order more research from them if you are curious about it.

    The sample size, from a while back, was 941,000. Most (~98%) are done with Form F and G. Other commercial databases show similar values, which can be seen in books like "Type Talk at Work", along with more statistical information.

    Do you just make this up, and expect it to be taken at face value?
    No and no. I was unaware that he had said that, actually... interesting. A shame Jung never actually did a statistical experiment to see if he was right, it would of been interesting to see how he changed his theories.

    In the end, he is half right... Females are more F than men... but Ns are slightly more male than females.

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    Thanks P. I saw this report, which is similar to most type projections that I have witnessed. However, I will put the question to this group, as I have the websites who display such stats.

    1. Why are these surveys broken down by dichotomies, instead of a truer indication (cognitive functions)? Are they implying that the 47-55 % of introverts (as an example), are equally distributed between the four cognitive functions (Si-Ni-Ti and Fi)? In that case, Si and Ni dominant types equally have a 11.75-13.75% proportion. We know that is untrue.
    1. Following the above line of reasoning, when grouping by dichotomy, there is a gross skewing of types using the Se and Ne cognitive functions, since all preferring intuition (regardless of which cognitive function used) will show a rarity because most likely Ni is the rarest cognitive function used, and all preferring sensing will show higher results because of Si is the greatest cognitive function used (per capita).
    I think the sample is large enough, however without some means of knowing which cognitive function those being surveyed prefer, you would have to group all four introverted cognitive functions together and giving them equally proportion. These type surveys are highly inconclusive per MBTI and Jung. At best, they show a viable breakdown to those who subscribe to dichotomous usage such as Keirsey, Kroeger and the Tiegers. But, it?s not true MBTI results.

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