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    Hello edcoaching,

    Pleasure to meet(?) you.

    I was wondering if you could help me with a question. I recently bought and read "The sixteen Personality Types" by Linda V. Berens and Dario Nardi and after reading the descriptions and asking for my wife and friends input, the INFJ description seemed to be unanimously the right choice.

    Now I am starting to wonder about that. Previously, I considered myself an INFP, and actually the first time I did one of those online tests (I almost wish I had never found them!), I typed as an INTJ, which didn't really seem to fit the bill. However, I really identify with the INFJ description in the book, but the "organizing" aspect is kind of not as apparent as I imagine it would be in other INFJs.
    What I mean is, I don't really "do" in the outside world as much as I think I "should" according to my type.

    I do suffer from social anxiety, so I have a very clear "list" of things I can and cannot do, although I tend to include some things that are hard for me just so I don't completely sink into absolute "hermitude."

    To sum up(a little late I guess), can INFJs seem less determined, structured, organized on the outside due to something such as anxiety, which seriously puts a damper on my plans, or am I just another type, possibly?

    Thanks ahead of time. I don't want to overload you with extra work or anything, but I really would appreciate any input you could give me.

    Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travo7 View Post
    Hello edcoaching,

    Pleasure to meet(?) you.

    I was wondering if you could help me with a question. I recently bought and read "The sixteen Personality Types" by Linda V. Berens and Dario Nardi and after reading the descriptions and asking for my wife and friends input, the INFJ description seemed to be unanimously the right choice.

    Now I am starting to wonder about that. Previously, I considered myself an INFP, and actually the first time I did one of those online tests (I almost wish I had never found them!), I typed as an INTJ, which didn't really seem to fit the bill. However, I really identify with the INFJ description in the book, but the "organizing" aspect is kind of not as apparent as I imagine it would be in other INFJs.
    What I mean is, I don't really "do" in the outside world as much as I think I "should" according to my type.

    I do suffer from social anxiety, so I have a very clear "list" of things I can and cannot do, although I tend to include some things that are hard for me just so I don't completely sink into absolute "hermitude."

    To sum up(a little late I guess), can INFJs seem less determined, structured, organized on the outside due to something such as anxiety, which seriously puts a damper on my plans, or am I just another type, possibly?

    Thanks ahead of time. I don't want to overload you with extra work or anything, but I really would appreciate any input you could give me.

    Thanks again
    Hi--I pulled out my copy of their booklet to see the text you're referring to. Not all INFJs present a task-oriented side to the world, and it can be within their small social circle, not the world at large, that's for sure.

    And, type only explains part of what we do. Social anxiety would definitely change an INFJ's tendency to "If I have to be part of this, we are not wasting a bunch of time" in the big picture sense. That doesn't mean you're up front organizing, though.

    I'd be curious as to what you see as doing the outside world...for example, my husband and I were co-Cubmasters for Cub Scouts. He's the ESTP, led the pack meetings, handled the egg drop contest from the fire department ariel ladder, etc. I could "see" that the prior leaders hadn't distributed leadership well and that made it hard for them to find replacements. I made the phone calls, got people involved, made sure the pack meetings each had themes/communication, got info to the newsletter person, attended the training sessions to know nuts and bolts, all "chart the course" but pretty invisible stuff that had the troop running itself within a couple months.

    So...do you prefer INFJ?

    • We often do value spontaneity, but tend to try to clear our plates to have time for fun as opposed to going with the flow
    • Usually, somehow a rich, imaginative childhood fantasy life continues into adulthood, whether through writing, imagining the world as a better place, or finding ourselves daydreaming about actually being a favorite book/tv character
    • Usually, somewhere in adolescence there's a fairly defining period where we become terribly aware of how others are affected by situations as extraverted Feeling surfaces--for me it was typical 6th grade girl clique activity, knowing very suddenly I could never be part of anything like that again.
    • While it may take years to solidify, most INFJs adopt some kind of ideal we want to see come to fruition. The one INFJ I know really well (we are rare on the streets, don't think I ever had a childhood friend INFJ) we joked when teaching classes together that I just want to change the public school system and he just wants to change organized religion. Even knowing we can't get there, we still put a ton of energy into doing our part. We were probably close to 40 when we finally found our causes, though...
    • We really think we can solve just about anything on our own. A support group is an oxymoron--and sometimes this is bad since the advice of others can (sigh) give new information


    You can be really private and still prefer INFJ. Many of us could spend days by ourselves and not notice if there were enough books/hobby supplies/nature walks/engaging movies/CDs. But when in the outer world there can definitely be a clear vision of how things could be better and teh role you could play, even if it's behind the scenes...

    Does that help at all?
    edcoaching

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    I have a question for you.

    Could you tell us a fictional character and real person that you think are representative of each personality type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mondo View Post
    I have a question for you.

    Could you tell us a fictional character and real person that you think are representative of each personality type?
    Is this to invite argument to this thread?

    Fiction first, hopefully all examples where people of that type would want to be that type. I need to think on real people since i only really do dead people when i'm officially teaching...

    ISTJ--the accountant in Schindler's list
    ISTP--Max in Freak the Mighty. This is one children's book everyone should read.
    ESTP--Scarlett OHara (all her good points)
    ESTJ--Mary Poppins (read the books and watch carefully)
    ISFJ--Mrs. Cleaver. Maybe BJ Hunnicutt
    ISFP--Melanie Wilkes, Samwise Gamgee
    ESFP--Cool Hand Luke (Miss you, Paul...)
    ESFJ--Michael Bluth or Meg March
    INFJ--Dumbledore (I know there's disagreement but he was so sure he knew what was best for Harry...seems like something I'd do...)
    INFP--Johnny in The Outsiders, book version (I never saw the movie)
    ENFP--The father in Life is Beautiful
    ENFJ--Caddie Woodlawn (sorry for such an old example, but the part where she uses her allowance to buy presents for the abandoned children and how she thinks that if she just goes and talks to the Ojibwe villagers all will be fine...) You could put Doctor McCoy here too.
    INTJ--Colonel Nicholson (Alec Guinnis) in Bridge on the River Kwai
    INTP--Commander Spock (kind of a copout but exemplary...)
    ENTP--Schindler
    ENTJ--I'm sticking with Princess Leia
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    Nope, not to invite argument.
    I was just curious since I agree with you 100% that Princess Leia is ENTJ,
    I agree with the others I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    Hi--I pulled out my copy of their booklet to see the text you're referring to. Not all INFJs present a task-oriented side to the world, and it can be within their small social circle, not the world at large, that's for sure.

    And, type only explains part of what we do. Social anxiety would definitely change an INFJ's tendency to "If I have to be part of this, we are not wasting a bunch of time" in the big picture sense. That doesn't mean you're up front organizing, though.

    I'd be curious as to what you see as doing the outside world...for example, my husband and I were co-Cubmasters for Cub Scouts. He's the ESTP, led the pack meetings, handled the egg drop contest from the fire department ariel ladder, etc. I could "see" that the prior leaders hadn't distributed leadership well and that made it hard for them to find replacements. I made the phone calls, got people involved, made sure the pack meetings each had themes/communication, got info to the newsletter person, attended the training sessions to know nuts and bolts, all "chart the course" but pretty invisible stuff that had the troop running itself within a couple months.

    So...do you prefer INFJ?

    • We often do value spontaneity, but tend to try to clear our plates to have time for fun as opposed to going with the flow
    • Usually, somehow a rich, imaginative childhood fantasy life continues into adulthood, whether through writing, imagining the world as a better place, or finding ourselves daydreaming about actually being a favorite book/tv character
    • Usually, somewhere in adolescence there's a fairly defining period where we become terribly aware of how others are affected by situations as extraverted Feeling surfaces--for me it was typical 6th grade girl clique activity, knowing very suddenly I could never be part of anything like that again.
    • While it may take years to solidify, most INFJs adopt some kind of ideal we want to see come to fruition. The one INFJ I know really well (we are rare on the streets, don't think I ever had a childhood friend INFJ) we joked when teaching classes together that I just want to change the public school system and he just wants to change organized religion. Even knowing we can't get there, we still put a ton of energy into doing our part. We were probably close to 40 when we finally found our causes, though...
    • We really think we can solve just about anything on our own. A support group is an oxymoron--and sometimes this is bad since the advice of others can (sigh) give new information


    You can be really private and still prefer INFJ. Many of us could spend days by ourselves and not notice if there were enough books/hobby supplies/nature walks/engaging movies/CDs. But when in the outer world there can definitely be a clear vision of how things could be better and teh role you could play, even if it's behind the scenes...

    Does that help at all?
    Wow. That helps a whole lot. Thank you!
    The bit on the imaginative childhood and adolescence I think has convinced me even further.

    Again, many thanks.

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    Okay, now the real people of each type...since some are so behind-the-scenes this is always hard. What is their public versus private persona. Oh, and ethics require that I either really know the person's type or stick to dead people.

    ISTJ: George Washington. Exemplary duty-bound-but-wants-to-be-done guardian
    ISTP:MBTI Club Home Page suggests Alan Turing who led the allied team responsible for breaking German codes and suggested a theoretical model that foreshadowed computers
    ESTP: General Patton
    ESTJ: Sam Walton
    ISFJ: Billy Graham
    ISFP: Mother Teresa
    ESFP: Princess Diana. Imagine her reaction when Charles suggested they read Proust on their honeymoon...
    ESFJ: Clara Barton, founder of American Red Cross
    INFJ: Martin Luther King
    INFP: Isabel Myers. I've always thought Abe Lincoln was here too.
    ENFP: Bill Clinton
    ENFJ: Bill George, retired CEO of Medtronics whose corporate mission is "We save lives". He's dedicating his retirement years to promoting ethics in business.
    INTJ: M Scott Peck, psychiatrist and author of A Road Less Traveled. I'd put CS Lewis here too.
    INTP: Einstein, Jung, John Dewey
    ENTP: Julia Child
    ENTJ: The Apostle Paul (my mind is just blank on others who aren't still alive. sorry...)
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    Why would Lincoln be an INFP?

    Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Why would Lincoln be an INFP?

    Just curious.
    I think his learning style (read everything you can and assume you can become an expert) is truly IN. Not that E's and S's don't read, but it isn't how they'd like to study law. And while his life situation made it the most feasible methods, I think most other types would pursue other fields rather than walk miles to borrow books, etc...

    Feeling--The tone of his writings, personal correspondence, and speeches have the NF persuasion feel rather than the NT logical argument feel. Also, while yes he resided as president during one of the worst periods of history and faced personal tragedy as well during those years, I still feel that the way he aged, agonized, and faced depression is more indicative of the difficulty Feeling types have with staying objective. Decisions tore him apart in ways that they didn't, for example, crush Sherman or Grant...

    Perceiving--I'm working from the dominant function stand. His whole political life seems more values-driven than idea-driven. There's an INFP tendency in adulthood to say, "Nothing is going to change unless I, myself, start leading the charge." I see this in his entry into politics.

    But my interpretations could certainly be colored by the fact that I haven't plowed through many biographies besides Sandburg's Lincoln. And Carl Sandburg could definitely have preferred INFP, which would affect the incidences he chose to convey and the tone with which he described Lincoln.
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