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    I was going to write a long explanation, but TLL covered all the necessary ground

    Read his posts.

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    does anyone have a online test or something? i'm sick of guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    does anyone have a online test or something? i'm sick of guessing.
    I'm confused. Why do you want a test?

    Also, online tests are horrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    I'm confused. Why do you want a test?

    Also, online tests are horrible.
    i want self clarification. i want t know how strong me Ni, Fe is etc. the thing about MBTI is that is that it tells you the order of 4 processes typical of your type, but not the rest. so for me i have Ne, Fi, Te and Si in that order according to the theory. what about the other processes? don't tell me that i don't have any Ni, that's just ridiculous. where does my Ni stand in terms of the strength of my processes? can i formulate some norm of all the processes? i want stuff to theorize on :P

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    That's the Cognitive Processes Test Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

    It will give you an idea of the relative strengths of all of the functions, regardless of which "role" (dom. aux. ter., etc) they are supposed to be in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    That's the Cognitive Processes Test Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

    It will give you an idea of the relative strengths of all of the functions, regardless of which "role" (dom. aux. ter., etc) they are supposed to be in.
    After i made the test, Ni was the strongest function with 41, followed by Te with 40.2...
    I...74%
    N...66%
    F... 62%
    P... 72%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    That's the Cognitive Processes Test Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

    It will give you an idea of the relative strengths of all of the functions, regardless of which "role" (dom. aux. ter., etc) they are supposed to be in.
    thanks bro. i did the test, here are the results:


    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)

    extraverted Sensing (Se) ************************** (26.9)
    average use

    introverted Sensing (Si) *********** (11.7)
    unused

    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************************************* (43.2)
    excellent use

    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************************* (33)
    good use

    extraverted Thinking (Te) *************** (15.6)
    unused

    introverted Thinking (Ti) ******************************** (32.9)
    good use

    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ********************************* (33.1)
    good use

    introverted Feeling (Fi) ******************************************** (44.2)
    excellent use

    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INFP

    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situations dynamics.

    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENFP, or INTP
    pretty accurate i guess. it's important to not take this too far though because it's not perfect. Ni questions are horrible. 'do you ever get premonitions?' well, do you ever get punched in the face? did you foresee that happening? it was worth the time though

    interesting pattern showing here too if i am at all indicative of everyone else. my order goes Fi, Ne, Fe, Ni, Ti, Se, Te, Si

    bit of a trend there wouldn't you think? i'm not sure if this order is EXACTLY correct, i would think that my Ne is higher than my Fi. however, it looks safe to say that my external and internal functions here of the same letter stick close to each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Introverted intuition, like all introverted functions, is oriented toward depth. It is much more focused than its extraverted counterpart. While Ne will ask "why" about one thing, and then ask "why" about something else, Ni will focus on one thing at a time and will keep asking "why" about the same thing over and over again. This is what is meant when Ni is said to be able to view things from multiple perspectives. It sees multiple possible explanations for the same thing. Then it can choose one explanation or an amalgam of explanations. This also results in the NJ having the greatest depth in understanding whatever it focuses on. It can even see patterns and trends from the present and past and extrapolate them into the future. Unfortunately introverted functions are not oriented toward communication, and the thought process for Ni is unconscious so the person is only aware of the result but not how they got there. This means that NJ's seem to have a way of just "knowing things", but they will be unable to adequately explain how they know.
    Your responses to mbti questions are always very knowledgeable, and right on, in my opinion (and I think you have a lot of real-world experience to support and build on the theories - not just a heap of stereotypes and stuff copy-and-pasted from other internet sources, much of which I tend to disagree with/question anyway). Basically I never have any issues with whatever you write. :-)

    I think this is an excellent summary of Ni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    Actually I think of Ni as asking "What if" rather than Why which Nardi for sure attributes to Ti...

    So as children (and as we become writers what if we could travel through time? What would it be like to be a basketball? What if Captain Kirk saves someone who was supposed to die and actually stalls the allies from stopping Hitler? What if Cinderella was ugly but nice, or her sisters pretty but still mean? What if I were in charge?

    Today it's manifesting itself as what if i were writing Obama's speeches...

    So all those creativity exercises can help with developing skills with it, just as I can work on Si by reality exercises. ISTJs can be really creative, especially in problem solving, once there is agreement on the facts and a clear definition of the problem. N's often start solving before they get what the problem is...natural place for synergy when we're working together
    Interesting, I may have been looking at things wrong for a long time then, because I thought those were the kind of things Ne does...

    The idea of taking things that don't seem to go together and asking "what if I put these together? what results could that produce?". For example, I look at the way Joss Whedon thought of Firefly as mixing elements of westerns and sci fi to create something unique. I considered that to be a great example of how an Ne dominant mind would work, but reading your description, I could see where that could be seen as Ni.

    I ask lots of questions like
    "Why",
    "What if...?",
    "What motivated ____ to do ____?",
    "Was that the intended meaning/result of their words/actions, or is there more to it than that?"
    "What do they really mean by ___?",
    "What are the implications of ___?",
    "What is ____ subconsciously communicating? (which in itself is often a question I ask subconsciously/automatically)",
    and "What possibilities does this open up?".

    Do questions like those solidly represent either Ni or Ne, or are they a combination of both Ni and Ne? I think I use both, but I vacillate between thinking I prefer one to the other depending on my mood and day (the same applies to Ti/Te, but this is not the discussion for that).

    Quote Originally Posted by TLL
    The concept of gravity is an abstraction of concrete things, while the football really is concrete.
    When I read that, it conjured an image of what football might be like if the ball were made of concrete. After that first mental image, it would go on to see the immediate problems and then see what else could be changed to make the basic idea workable, then it would go on to tangents like asking what if a shotput size super funball were used instead and so on (those images and tangents happening in what feels like a suspension of time while I think about them, and could be seconds or minutes in reality)... Ni, Ne or something else?

    Even before reading this I was having occasional moments where I was wondering if I might be an abnormal INxJ instead of an INFP, and this gives me further reason to question at least which functions I'm using instinctively that might indicate natural preference and which ones I've more consciously developed to support my more dominant/preferred functions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TenebrousReflection View Post
    Do questions like those solidly represent either Ni or Ne, or are they a combination of both Ni and Ne?
    Those questions could be either Ne or Ni. Intuition in either form will ask lots of questions to get at the underlying ideas and principles. The main difference is between breadth and depth. Ne will ask questions about lots of things (and possibly start linking them together). Ni will tend to focus on one thing at a time, but ask lots of questions about that one thing.

    When I read that, it conjured an image of what football might be like if the ball were made of concrete. After that first mental image, it would go on to see the immediate problems and then see what else could be changed to make the basic idea workable, then it would go on to tangents like asking what if a shotput size super funball were used instead and so on (those images and tangents happening in what feels like a suspension of time while I think about them, and could be seconds or minutes in reality)... Ni, Ne or something else?
    This description sounds more like Ne to me, but it mostly has to do with the first sentence. You took a football and concrete and linked them together. Ne has this way of trying to make sense of everything at once, so it can take seemingly unrelated things and link them together. The rest of the paragraph sounds more like Ne, but it could be Ni too. The first sentence is what really jumped out at me.
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