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    Sloan is more excepted in 'real' science. Does this mean it is a better tool for understanding people?

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    Well, if you want to blindly accept everything you read, then the answer is yes.

    Otherwise, don't ask us. Try it out. Come to the conclusion yourself.

    I personally find that SLOAN doesn't really do much, since it basically draws no inferences about interaction between the five spectrums. They're just labels, essentially. I, for one, can't build up any kind of meaningful framework out of those labels, but I haven't really tried that hard, so who knows?

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    The SLOAN mit school of management? Or is it something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    Well, if you want to blindly accept everything you read, then the answer is yes.
    I don't that's why I'm appealing to some very well informed minds on this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    Come to the conclusion yourself.
    In due time.


    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    I personally find that SLOAN doesn't really do much, since it basically draws no inferences about interaction between the five spectrums. They're just labels, essentially. I, for one, can't build up any kind of meaningful framework out of those labels, but I haven't really tried that hard, so who knows?
    O.k. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    The SLOAN mit school of management? Or is it something else?
    The 'big five' personality typing system that psychologists use.

    Here's some Wiki:

    Big Five personality traits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    I don't find it useful at all.
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    Hre's one take on it.

    The 5PF...4 of them correlate strongly with the 4 MBTI preference dichotomies. The fifth is about neuroses and the "real" MBTI has nothing in it to diagnose psychiatric conditions so I for one wouldn't want to see any correlations!!! They used factor analysis to develop it; factor analysis was also used on the MBTI to see if the items correctly correlated with the 4 scales and they do.

    I haven't seen any studies on whether people agree more with their 5PF results, but either way, both are instruments. It's the applications that count and from what I've seen, there aren't as many, or as deep a set of applications, for the 5PF.

    And in teams, I wouldn't go near an instrument that actually identifies someone as more or less troubled--people usually are all too ready to label each other if they haven't already! So I wouldn't go near it for those kinds of applications...
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    I find that MBTI used WITH the Enneagram is the most fluid and efficient system.
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    Actually, an updated version of MBTI called the "Type Differentiation Indicator" does add a new dichotomy of "Comfort-Discomfort" to match Neuroticism. There were originally subscales for this as well as the other four factors in the factor analyses, but Neuroticism was deemed too negative, and then dropped (and then the subscale format also stowed, until Step II).

    I wonder if systems like FFM as well as Taylor Johnson might be seen as looking more "scientific", because they don't make "types" out of the scores. They just give you the scores of each factor.
    The "type" system seems to be what is looked on with suspicion; probably as too easy to potentially make into another "difference" to discriminate on, and then I had heard about times when everyone had their MBTI codes on stickers on their doors or desk, and that is just too "pop-culturistic".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithium View Post
    Sloan is more excepted in 'real' science. Does this mean it is a better tool for understanding people?
    I wouldn't say 'SLOAN' is more accepted anywhere, as far as I know. The Big Five (IPIP/NEO) is.

    No, it doesn't help understand people at all. The research done with it is getting there (notably the extraversion and neuroticism parts), but regardless, it's more about finding what people influence, or how our behaviours influence outcomes.

    It is better at answering "What personality traits tend to lead to less happy relationships" and "what personality traits tend to make more money", but that's just because it's used for that. I would say that as far as instruments go, both are pretty valid (granted, IMO, the nature of development of the five factor models makes it a better choice for this function). It's the dichtomies and lack of normalization in MBTI that makes it less suitable. It's still used but not nearly as much in academic circles(you can order research from CAPT.)


    Eric: I didn't think Step II included the neuroticism scale. I know they did research into it (and I think it was dropped for including in Step III, which is suppose to resolve the J/P issues) but I thought they never released a test that measured it, formally. When did this come out, and is it integrated into any of the major forms being used?

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